On this site, I've often ran into the problem of not being able to find anything from a giant list of examples on a trope page because it wasn't alphabetically ordered (this is a bigger problem with example pages because they are so large). This can also cause the problem of duplicate works on the same example section, because a work couldn't easily be found.
Even though I'm a rather disorganized person by nature (my parents told me this all the time), I'm still bothered by the lack of A-Z ordering. I have been ordering some example pages A-Z and I've wondering, has this been a problem for anyone else? Is anyone else bothered by a lack of alphabetization on some pages?
If so, please link me some of those pages so I can reorder them when I feel like doing so.
UPDATE 2/28/22- Check Out Sandbox- Alphabetically Ordering Examples Clean Up
Alphabetizing special cases:
- El Goonish Shive: Place in "E".
- .hack and related articles: Ignore the dot, place in "H".
- ×××HOLiC: Place in "X".
Once examples on a page have been alphabetized, this tag can be added to the top:
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Edited by Twiddler on Nov 24th 2023 at 6:00:44 AM
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I'd think St. is just Saint shortened and go with it.
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Re: hashtags and other unusual punctuation at the start of a title
99% of the time, when a work title begins with punctuation, it's supposed to be silent, and we don't take it into account when alphabetizing. .hack is the exception, not the rule—and we have consensus to ignore the punctuation even there, and alphabetize it under "H".
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This is pretty minor, but what do you do when troping a one-shot that's released in a longer series, but isn't actually part of the main series' story. Do you trope it under the main series' main page (e.g. [Work X]: This trope occurs in the [One-shot title]) even though it has nothing to do with the former, or do you trope it independently?
If I want to alphabetisize a locked page, how does one go about requesting the change?
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^^ l think both options are fine to do on trope pages.
^ If you are making minor alphabetization fixes, you can post what you want us (the mods) to fix. If you plan on alphabetizing the entire page or a large part of it, I recommend copy pasting the article into a sandbox, do the alphabetization, and then request the sandbox to be swapped into the locked page.
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When it comes to alphabetizing works that start with foreign articles, do you alphabetize them by the article?
Was about to alphabetize HistoricalDomainCharacter.Anime And Manga and saw that one of the entries, Le Chevalier d'Eon started with the French article "le". Since the wiki policy says to alphabetize by articles in general, does that apply to all articles or just the English ones?
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Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Sep 21st 2023 at 8:31:48 AM
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It applies to all articles, as long as they're being used as articles.
El Goonish Shive, for instance, starts with something that looks like an article but isn't.
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Award-Bait Song lists examples by release date. Why? Can I alphabetize them?
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The Thanksgiving parade part should remain as is, because it's sub-examples on a single work.
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Wiki policy is to ignore articles at the start when alphabetizing. How to Alphabetize Things:
Do this even for foreign-language articles.
Got it. I see those are already neatly listed in sub bullets. Alphabetizing the titles on the rest is fine? Is anyone attached to chronological order?
I have a question, when sorting a page, if one franchise has examples for a bunch of installments, how should those be sorted? Do they get alphabetized as well, or should they be sorted by release date?
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I'd do it by release date, because they're sub-examples within a single greater work. This is the type of thing which can't be done manually.
Release date order makes more sense to me than alphabetical, though I may not go out of my way to fix existing alphabetised lists.
- Spin-Off Video Game, Video Game, Video Game Four, Video Game: The Second Spin-Off, Video Game: The Sequel
- Video Game, Video Game: The Sequel, Video Game Four, Spin-Off Video Game, Video Game: The Second Spin-Off
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Ok, so I recently made DerivativeWorks.Alices Adventures In Wonderland.
The commented out tags said to sort it by (approximate) chronological order.
The question I have is, should the categories be sorted that way too? Or should Literature and Films take priority and be sorted at the top, regardless of alphabetical order?
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How do you alphabetize the Real Life section? Is it by the examples' subject?
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Do I sort the entries that go under a Disney Animated Canon bullet tree by release date or also by alphebetical order?
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Nov 19th 2023 at 7:19:59 PM
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I feel like those should be alphabetical, because of how loose the Disney "franchise" is.
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Yeah, alphabetical order would probably be the best solution.
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ObviousBeta.Video Games have folders in no logical order; it's neither alphabetical nor chronological with PS3 examples going before PS2 examples even!
Edited by Nen_desharu on Nov 20th 2023 at 5:32:56 AM
Kirby is awesome.
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I hollered the thread to include this tag that's added once examples have been alphabetized:
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I've just added World of Funny Animals to the cleanup list. Bear in mind some folders are meatier than others.
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Just added:
to the sandbox.
Edited by GracieLizzy on Dec 18th 2023 at 10:21:55 AM
I just recreated the St. ♡ Dragon Girl page and I how I wondering how it should alphabetized. I don't any applicable guidelines on How to Alphabetize Things but a quick google suggests that St. names should be alphabetized as if the saint part was spelled out so I tried doing that. That's fine, right?
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