Misused: Ambiguously Gay

Examples of the "made camp as a way to insinuate" can be treated both as this and the proposed "gender-nonconforming equals gay" at the same time, but it should not be treated as the primary or sole trait the way the current definition functions. Most examples of the trope can probably be left as is, the primary aspect that needs re-doing is the definition, for which we can probably begin a Sandbox page of some kind.

Bump.

...Crowner?

I attempted a rewrite of the new page definition to start us off. Take a look if you'd like, and flesh it out or adjust it as necessary. It's here:

Ambiguously Gay

Edited by AlleyOop on Jul 10th 2020 at 12:20:47 PM

Homoerotic Subtext can actually involve gay characters, the trope is about the moment itself.

Speaking of Homoerotic Subtext, it will need a link to Ambiguously Gay somewhere in the description and explanation of the difference between the two tropes. From the page:

Not all cases of Homoerotic Subtext between queer characters are about the sort of things in the above quote, though. I know of at least one specific case (in Ava's Demon) where the characters are queer, but the moment between them is for symbolic purposes, rather than to hint at attraction.

Anyways, I'm not quite sure how to rewrite that line at the moment, but just getting my thoughts down.

Fair enough, especially since I myself have argued for Homoerotic Subtext being allowed to involve queer characters as long as they're not canonically attracted to each other.

I suggested an Ambiguous Sexuality supertrope and it got some traction. Would it go on the crowner?

“Shows gay stereotypes, but isn’t actually gay” is already covered by Camp Straight.

Camp Straight is only for heterosexual characters. It can't cover asexual characters.

Also, the new description for Ambiguously Gay looks good enough.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Jul 10th 2020 at 11:41:23 PM

So we're ready for the crowner here, right?

Alright, are people happy with the rewritten trope definition for Ambiguously Gay?

I'm good with it.

I'm fine with the new description.

Alright, waiting until the Captcha issues fix themselves. If anyone else has edits or critiques they'd like to make, they can still toss some ahead for now.

Alright, I've applied the changes to the page definition, as I set out to do. We can keep this page open for now, for further refinement, for cleanup of old examples, and to help hone "Gender Nonconforming Equals Gay" since I feel that's a related issue.

Bump.

For the Laconic page, we currently have the following description:

"Embodies gay stereotypes, but never confirms sexual orientation."

How should we change it to match the new definition? I'm thinking of modifying it to be more like Ambiguously Bi, thus like this (EDIT):

"A character is implied to have romantic/sexual interest in the same gender, but it's unclear if they're truly homosexual."

Edited by AlleyOop on Aug 17th 2020 at 8:57:34 AM

Stereotypes are still part of the trope, so I'd at least have it say embodies gay stereotypes or yadda yadda.

Stereotypes are just a part of the package insofar as they were a means to communicate the trope in the past when more overt evidence of same-gender attraction was banned, but they're not core to the trope.

It shouldn't say the character "shows" romantic/sexual interest, as that implies it's overt in the text. it should say it's implied.

That's a good point. Will update.

Bumping this thread to ask if we should consider getting a new page image, considering the current one seems to be more about Camp stereotypes.

I think the trope should get a new image.

I believe that question is better suited for the Image Pickin' forum.