The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment exists to prevent tropers from making agenda-based edits or bringing up irrelevant controversial issues, but it's not always obvious if something breaks the rule or not. This thread serves the purposes of:
- Getting consensus on cutting overly controversial edits.
- Rewriting biased examples to be more neutral.
- Pre-emptively clarifying if a possible example actually violates the rule, or if it's okay to add.
- Making sure that the rule isn't just being used as an excuse to write a Zero-Context Example ("Some people think that X is Y, and that's all we have to say about it.")
See also the thread "Trump and ROCEJ
" for the specific topic of tropers sneaking their political views (not just views regarding Donald Trump, despite the title) onto the wiki.
See Pages Attracting Edits That Promote Bigotry for pages that attract ROCEJ violations that are bigoted in nature.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 5:25:14 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
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I guess that's true. Their comedy can have tropes sprinkled in.
Sort of reminds me of Chris Ray Gun, who makes political videos, but also has skits, characters, and music, giving us a lot to discuss besides his political views. As long as the pages for people like Oliver aren't just focused primarily on their politics, they might be keepable.
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Ugh, when did we get a Louder With Crowder page? Also in favour of cutting. He's not as bad as Stonetoss but repeatedly calling Carlos Maza a 'gay mexican', 'little queer' and 'lispy sprite', wearing 'Socialism is for f*gs' shirts that he also sells as merch is bad enough I reckon. His views on climate change and the 2020 election indicate that he's either another loud shill who makes a living by pretending to believe the ridiculous things he says, or he's just genuinely a bit stupid and acts in terrible faith at all times. Nothing of value would be lost, and since his work is intrinsically tied to his politics then I don't think we could cover him air-quotes 'neutrally' without being explicitly negative, which is a bad look.
I don't think a blanket ban on all political commentators and media would be effective or enforceable due to how political themes can be applied to practically anything, but I think Crowder is definitely close enough to alt-right to go.
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Agreed. I'm in favor of a page cut.
(Not this shit again...)
The Draftsman of Doom
Cut the Crowder page.
Rawr.
Very Spooky
I’m in favor of cutting Louder With Crowder as well. While we have pages for other politics-based works such as Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, I think it’s reasonable for us to not want to have a page for a guy who’s blatantly racist and homophobic.
(Last Week Tonight with John Oliver does need a cleanup though, since there seems to be a lot of real-life troping.)
Edited by jandn2014 on Mar 31st 2021 at 4:41:15 AM
back lol
Rally, you have anything meaningful to add with this devil's advocate act? Anything?
Cut Crowder, too. I'll fix up the Feminism page.
she/her
I count eight votes in favor of a cut, two people who have commented but didn't vote, and one person who seems to be implying they're against a cut, but hasn't explicitly said it.
Is that enough that we can cutlist it again, or should we get a crowner going?
Edited by Serac on Mar 31st 2021 at 11:15:52 AM
The Draftsman of Doom
I noted that the Feminism edits were discussed in this thread in an edit reason.
Rawr.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
If I wasn't clear before, cut Crowder. Politics aren't tropeworthy, and he doesn't add anything tropeworthy to his content. Is that a good enough reason, Rally? Or are you going to Slippery-Slope us again?
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Angry babby
Maybe we should spin off another thread for this, and go down the page since there's more potentially tropeworthy stuff here than for Stonetoss.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Actually, I disagree there. Stonetoss had (attempted) jokes, characters, and the like. Crowder doesn't really have that AFAIK.
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Smooth Like Butter
NVM
Edited by JohnnyFR00 on Mar 31st 2021 at 3:09:42 AM
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Veteran Editor IV
JFR, that might be an ad hominem attack. But honestly, I'm willing to accept the cut, mainly because while I'm against deleting work pages just because the creator has offensive viewpoins, deleting works tied to inflammatory political beliefs doesn't seem to lower our popularity too much (I think there was a drop after Stonetoss was deleted, but I'd need more results to potentially establish a pattern), and some say that it can apparently be good for the website's standing.
Edited by Piterpicher on Mar 31st 2021 at 10:52:27 AM
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It has nothing to do with his views and everything to do with the fact that he's not tropeworthy.
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Veteran Editor IV
Some of the people above do seem to want to cut the page because of them based on what they say, though. I myself don't care whether he's tropeworthy or not, that's not something I can judge.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I mean, it's pretty objective. Is his work creative in any way? Does it have any sort of narrative or fictionalization? If not, he's not tropeworthy, and he's cut.
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Forgive me if I'm late to the conversation, but I'd like to give a ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to getting rid of the Louder with Crowder page.
There are no narrative elements to trope, so I am also in favor of cutting it.
Showtime!
Cut Crowder
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
We already have a few political commentators in the Permanent Red Link Club.
Since Ann Coulter is in that club for having controversial political views, Crowder can safely join the club.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Mar 31st 2021 at 10:51:55 AM
Kirby is awesome.
Another PRLC vote from me.
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From me as well.
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@Jay, at least John Oliver and his ilk are comedians, for the most part, so the portions that are related to their comedy are not so off mission.
Also, why am I the page-topper.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Mar 30th 2021 at 4:02:32 AM
Rawr.