Does Not Illustrate: Suddenly Sexuality

This image does absolutely nothing to illustrate the trope besides the speech bubbles. It's two Shortpacked parodies on a generic background. It's perfectly OK to have a webcomic for a trope image, but it needs to be at least tangentially related to the trope in question outside of the dialogue.

Previous thread; voting Keep Until Better Image Suggested.

Keep. Text-reliant ≠ page quote.

Personally I feel if it's 100% reliant on the visible text to be a relevant image and not Just a Face and a Caption, it should be a page quote instead.

In fact, from the JAFAAC page itself:

Edited by Midna on May 22nd 2019 at 8:04:58 AM

I usually ask myself "does this work at least as well as a page quote?" Talking Heads don't really work as images, but most infographics can't really be turned into page quotes.

And when you get right down to it, talking heads is all this image is.

If no one else can come up with a better image, I propose we just pull it.

Keep Until Better Image Suggested

Keep

It doesn't really work well as a page quote, though, because of the caption.

Still voting to keep.

Edited by RamenChef on May 22nd 2019 at 9:56:15 AM

I feel like we should change our policies on images if we're allowed to keep a picture that would be completely non-descript if there were no speech bubbles. Take the text out of the image and this would literally be Just a Face and a Caption. Images are supposed to compliment the article, provide an illustration, not be reading material in and of themselves. That's completely missing the point of what an image is.

Edited by Midna on May 22nd 2019 at 10:10:49 AM

Editing...

I think this image is too reliant on the dialogue. I support Pulling on that grounds.

I don't think we need to remove all the dialogue from all comic images or anything though.

Edited by bitemytail on May 22nd 2019 at 8:17:54 AM

The image does show two women in a heart background (a fairly common way to depict love), with the overhead text and speech bubble complementing it. It's not JAFAAC.

Reminder that a good chunk of our images come from comics, exactly because they illustrate dialogue. This is explained in the How to Pick a Good Image page. Text and speech bubbles don't automatically mean bad.

"So, you want to find a good image for a page. The image is a great attention-grabber; it's likely to be the first thing a person sees when the page loads. In a page about the work, a good image will introduce the work; in a trope page, it will illustrate the trope and help the reader understand it." I feel like the current image does that job well enough.

Plus, it contains lampshading of the trope, which strengthens it as an example.

Edited by Drope on May 22nd 2019 at 8:25:00 AM

I honestly feel that this board is getting dangerously close to misusing Just a Face and a Caption.

A trope can be illustrated through illustration + dialogue, people. They're not mutually exclusive.

Current image has:

1 - Two women in a heart background, implying same-sex love. It doesn't need to be explicit (that's the dialogue's job), but visually, the trope is still being depicted in a way.

2 - Dialogue that does make the aforementioned same-sex love explicit.

3 - An overhead text that lampshades the trope ("X character is a lesbian now"), complemented by both the background, women and the speech bubble.

Essentially, the image does visually show the "Sexuality" part, but it needs the text to explain the "Suddenly", because it's simply impossible to depict that without any sort of contextual dialogue. An image does not need to explain all aspects through visuals alone. It's perfectly fine for dialogue or text to contextualize the image more (the same way captions do).

Edited by Drope on May 22nd 2019 at 9:54:18 AM

I'd like to once again point to this quote from the JAFAAC page:

In this case, yes, the caption is inside the image, and, yes, it is only partially relevant without it.

Edited by Midna on May 22nd 2019 at 11:07:11 AM

Keep for the aforementioned reasons, but especially Drope's. It's not useless enough to pull without replacement, certainly.

The difference here being that the "caption" actually helps to illustrate the trope. With actual JAFAAC, the caption (when there is one) is usually a Catchphrase or something else that doesn't really help illustrate the trope. Also on the Just a Face and a Caption page, under "Not JAFAAC":

Which I think applies here.

A good litmus test that I use for JAFAAC is, "could an Average Troper™ get the trope from the pic without having read the source work?" And in this case, the answer is "yes".

Edited by RamenChef on May 22nd 2019 at 11:18:25 AM

Take the image of Teeth-Clenched Teamwork. Without the dialogue, you wouldn't know they're reluctantly working with each other, but even then you know there's "Teamwork" in the image going by visuals alone. The dialogue is just there to establish the "Teeth-Clenched".

If it was just the image without the dialogue, it wouldn't work due to reasons stated above. It definitely wouldn't work as a page quote either, since it's Casual Danger Dialog.

By the logic presented here, this image wouldn't be considered good.

Edited by Drope on May 22nd 2019 at 7:47:07 AM

To me, the whole "might as well be a page quote" idea only works if divorcing the text and the actual imagery would lead to the trope being entirely captured in the text. Don't Explain the Joke is a borderline case, but the current page quote and image caption makes what we have there perfect.

Very strong vote to keep here, unless you can come up with a concrete suggestion that works better than the current.

I'd at least appreciate if we made an effort to found an image that isn't an obvious Take That!. I don't like the target either, but it just feels petty to me.

Keep current.

OP, I'm not saying your dislike of the image is invalid, and I agree that it's not the strongest of illustrations — I stated in the previous thread that it's text-reliant. But you haven't given sufficient reasons for a pull ("petty" is not one, and as others have stated, it's not basically a page quote and more or less illustrates the concept succinctly). On top of that, the current is <2 months old (so it's still in the forum's good graces/passes current IP standards), we're not likely to pull it without a solid replacement.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 23rd 2019 at 11:34:24 AM

Keep.

This one's at the clocking point and the consensus looks to be in favor of the current. I'll adjust the tag; locking up.