Pokémon Red and Pokémon Blue movie by Legendary

Yeah XY was an amazing season. Anyway the only time Ash was a dumbass was in the very, very early half of OS (yeah, despite the memes he actually settled on becoming a decent trainer midway in the Indigo League) and the majority of BW.

Let's look into why Ash lost each of the Leagues.

• Kanto: The guy in charge of the match was a dick for letting sleep count as a disqualification.
• Johto: Ash had never come across a Blaziken before.
• Hoenn: It was just too close.
• Sinnoh: Tobias was a Cheater Mc Cheater Pants for having a presumably full team of Legendaries.
• Unova: The guy in charge of the match was an idiot for letting that kid fight without a full team.
• Kalos: Again, it was just too close (but frustrating as hell).

In conclusion, none of these were really Ash's fault.

I agree with Hoenn and Kalos as those were the times Ash shows off his competency as a trainer (yes I have watched some of XY and XYZ beforehand,thank you character rerailment) and have a good reason for losing. But all the others, well:

Kanto: Ash barely gave Charzard any proper training to have him actually obey him. Not to mention the fact that he barely even beat any of the gym leaders as he won through either technicalities, bullshit life lesson that turned said gym leader’s world view, or a cop out with him beating Bebop and Rocksteady (yet again) for the final badge; and by game logic that means he didn’t gain the perk of being able to have higher level Pokemon obey him (assuming the animes even go by that logic).

Hell, most of Pokemon he used in the league are Pokemon he just NOW using for the first time like his Krabby (which evolved into a Kingler in the same episode), Muk and one of his shitload of Taures that he caught from the Saffari Zone. I’m amazed he somehow manage to get into the finals with Pokemon he barely even trained. Now that’s main character power right there.

His disqualification was most likely because the Pokemon League actually have a set of rules for Pokemon that uses sleep and that a Pokemon can’t be asleep for a long period of time as that would be considered a forfeit. With that, Charzard intentional refusal to listen to Ash, and him not having any other Pokemon; Ash lost because he couldn’t get his Pokemon to obey him due to his newby incompetency.

Well at least Ritchie gets the victory, he is basically a more competant version of Ash.

Johto: Isn’t that the whole point of gym battles? To prepare trainers to deal with Pokemon they never heard of? I mean, unlike the previous league, Ash actually earned a lot of his gym battle victories and showcase more competency as a trainer; so it was definitely on him for not adapting to fighting this all new possibly legendary Pokemon he never heard of. After all he should be open to the idea that there are a lot of other region with new Pokemon that never exist in his own region; case in point Misty’s Togepi and his whole reason to coming to Johto.

Shinnoh: Hey there’s no league rule against using a team of legendaries. Ash should of git gud with his team, especially against S Tier Pokemon.

Unova: I would also agree with that, but since that’s from Best Wishes and all . . .

So yeah out of the four, 3 of them are on Ash for not being properly prepared for battle; especially the ones against stronger or unknown Pokemon.

Edited by BigK1337 on Feb 13th 2019 at 2:03:35 PM

Well, the Johto battle was pretty close, after all, as in "Blaziken had to sit out the next round" close, besides, Ash has to fight a lot of Pokemon for the first time in each region, so the idea is "welp, let's go all in". Still, it says a lot that the writers decided to say "screw it" and toss two legendaries without explanation to knock Ash out in Sinnoh.

So, if the focus of this movie is the League itself, would you like the challenge of the Elite Four better, or a Tournament style like the anime?

I think those tournaments in the Anime aren't the real league, rather they are the qualification process to be allowed to challenge the League itself - after all, no Elite 4 member participates in these tournaments.

It's more like the anime has a different definition of it. Hell I don't think the elite 4 appeared in the OS pre-Indigo League.

Well, at least Bruno appeared in one episode prior to the Indigo League.

I'm sure this must have been mentioned earlier, but I think they can fit both the league plot and the Rocket plot in there by taking some wild creative liberties with the film.

Either way, the "Eight Gyms" thing would have to go. No matter how you do it, that would downright kill the pacing of a maybe-2-hour movie. I think the best way to do it would be to have one gym as a qualifier, then have the league be a tournament instead of an Elite 4 run as in the anime. That way, the film can get away with having possibly 3-5 action setpieces instead of 13 + however many rival battles and Rocket fights they want to include.

At the same time, they can ignore Team Rocket's actual plot from the games in favor of having them do some shady stuff at the league tournament. Alternatively, maybe the president of Silph Co. is a spectator at the tournament or a chairman of the league, and Giovanni tries to get to him while the tournament is going on.

All that said, I'm still very skeptical about the decision to do this in live action (or, really, as a standard-length movie at all). I thought the advantage of adapting Detective Pikachu was that it's not an action-focused plot, so they wouldn't have to worry about making too many complex anime-but-in-live-action-CG fights. Adapting any mainline Pokemon game as a single CG blockbuster seems a little too ambitious as long as movies reasonably cap at two and a half hours.

I think it should take elements from the games, the anime, and the manga (fortunately or unfortunately depending on your view we’re probably not going to get... that scene from the manga given that the film will probably get a pg rating)

Thought about this, and I simply consider that the Silph Co. incident seems like the most logical thing to bring to the big screen. Could be made to feel tense, it's at a point where the party would be complete, and ends on a battle with Giovanni.

Of course, there is a lot to fill out for it to make a good movie.

I figured Mewtwo would be a factor in the film, but per the second Detective Pikachu trailer, apparently he's going to be in that movie.

So. I guess that means they don't need to fit him into this one.

Mewtwo never did do much story wise anyway.

I do hope we see more than just Kanto pokemon, even if it's set in Kanto.

Detective Pikachu producer hints on a Pokemon Cinematic Universe if the film ends up successful.

Did You Know Movies talks about the development of the Detective Pikachu movie and the original game. Also touches upon the possibly of a Pokemon Cinematic Universe.

Origins kind of set a precedent on that it'd suck if done without doing something else in the plot.

And that was a mini-series. Imagine how crammed and rush it would be as a movie. Oh boy, why can't Hollywood take inspirations from Pokémon: The Power of Us? Want Red and Blue? Do a TV series.

I want the to use original characters rather than the game protagonists. Keep the rivals if you want, but it'd be better if the protagonists weren't the game characters.

I know many complained about Origins using the male protagonists for everything. Many gamers are just attached to one protagonist over the other. For example, I default to the female protagonists and I just can't see any male protagonists but Red, Ethan, Nate, and Sword working. Using a Canon Foreigner cuts out the middle man and allows them to design the protagonist however they please.

...Watch them name Blue "Gary". Or even give him an Adaptation Name Change.

Not the first time that happened in Pokémon. Personally, if they are going to call Blue "Gary", I would really like they do the same name change for Red.

"Kanto: The guy in charge of the match was a dick for letting sleep count as a disqualification."

Didn't the very first episode have Ash watching the Pokemon League and see a Gengar win against a Nidorino because the former used Hypnosis and put it to sleep?

The trainer recalled Nidorino before we even know what the outcome was. It's a classic thing you'll see in the actual game.

And quite frankly, it's clear that the anime was still working out the rules of the game back in 1997.

I just hope they don't go with "Ash". The fandom will freak. I know "Satoshi" was his original name, but people really hate Ash and Red getting messed up. I'd go with a "red" related name.

I think they should. The fandom hypocrisy of trying to distinguish Ash from Red and yet not doing the same for Gary and Blue makes me roll my eyes. They can't even distinguish Game Red from Adventures Red, yet tell me that Ash is somehow different from Red.

Even when the facts are staring at them, that Red was originally called Satoshi, they still won't acknowledge the obvious. Ash is Red the same way that Misty is Misty and Blaine◊ is Blaine.

Either it's Red and Blue (Red and Green in Japan)... or Ash and Gary. It cannot be Red and Gary.

Edited by Shadao on May 5th 2019 at 4:12:27 AM

Ash and Red are not identical because Ash is an eternally young failure while Red succeeded and actually grows up. Ash also has a personality (most of the time) since he's not meant to be a stoic Heroic Mime.

Gary and Blue are largely identical in personality and role, though the anime gives Gary some diversion with him becoming a professor.

Regardless, I agree they need to avoid using Ash. We need fresh blood.

Edited by Karxrida on May 5th 2019 at 6:20:57 AM

I see people call Blue "Gary" but I always figured it was a joke specifically to annoy others.

Fans confusing the characters is annoying but commonplace. I still remember the HGSS and BW 2 days when people thought Uber!Red was Red's canon design. Even nowadays you still see it spread because the fanart was so popular. People mistaking game!Red with Spe!Red always confused me because Spe!Red has these absurd Anime Hair bangs. I could get confusing May and Sapphire, but the Red's look so different from one another.

The movie wouldn't help things by confusing fans more.

They share the same role, they live in Pallet Town, they wear red hats with a white center as well as jackets that are open, they have a rival who is the grandson of Professor Oak, they have a Disappeared Dad, the artworks of Red in Gen I showcases a Hot-Blooded personality (smirk and all), and Red was originally known as Satoshi. Oh and they have Pikachu as their Signature Mon. Who is also the highest leveled Pokémon on their team. The differences between the two characters are no different from the differences between Adam West's Batman and Christian Bale's Batman. As Bat-Mite once stated:

My views are quite simple. Either Ash is Red, or all Reds are their own incarnations and must not be confused with each other. I despise the idea of naming the rival Gary and yet refusing to call the protagonist Ash in favor of Red. It confuses people into thinking that Ash and Red are two different people existing the same universe rather than Ash is the anime incarnation of Red. How many Youtube videos have I've seen speculating that Red is somehow in anime as Ash's father, Ash's brother, identical stranger, Ritchie, et cetera?

If they must go with the name Gary for the rival, I prefer they use the name Ash for the protagonist. If it's Shigeru, then Satoshi. If it's Blue (unless it's Japan which in that case, Green), then Red. If John, then Jack. And so and so forth.

Edited by Shadao on May 5th 2019 at 9:50:19 AM