Politics in Media - The Good, the Bad, and the Preachy

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Edited by KazuyaProta on Nov 9th 2019 at 7:22:16 AM

WHAT

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FUCK?

(technically its drama importation)

With overpopulation and capitalism, I'm not sure how strongly the two concepts are associated. I've definitely seen a lot of capitalists state that overpopulation was a myth as part of their reasons for supporting it.

@Morning Star 1337 I'm inclined to agree. Actually, truth be told I dislike these sorts of appeals to emotion due to my own pseudo-utilitarian philosophy. Having said that, I will give two counter-arguments:

-Endgame does actually show his plan didn't work, even Thanos admits it.

-The kind of person who is inclined to agree with Thanos is not entirely reasonable.

I don't always agree with Kazuya, or even understand their viewpoints, but I know enough to say that just can't be true.

Edited by Protagonist506 on Nov 9th 2019 at 4:37:20 AM

Without links or pictures their words are slander, and I have been informed that they have harassed this user before

They have a date with the Troll crusha

The thing is that Endgame took a while to produce (enough for two movies to be released between them), which mean that there were a lot of time for viewers inclined to Thanos' views to propagate them practically unchallenged.

That being said now that I think about it, it might had been difficult to work that into Infinity War organically unless they do a Downer Epilogue to go with the Downer Ending, which might have pacing or marketing problems.

Thanos made two basic mistakes IMHGO:

He killed half of everything which means trillions of innocent plant and animals died (and realistically this should have made thing a lot worse for the survivors of the Snap).

Why just half? The universe would have been a lot better off if he'd gotten everybody.

Well, he realized it on Endgame anyway

Killing half of everything is stupid and doesn't fit with the movies as we see whales returning.

Thanos is about doubling resources by halving consumers.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 9th 2019 at 5:43:18 AM

As much as I admire your ability at deploying hot takes this would make even less sense than his stated plan, killing everyone to stop extinction is... incoherent to say the least.

The "put life out of its misery" and "life is really gross" omnicidal maniacs have much more coherent and logical reasons for such an action

I believe they were saying that killing everything was more merciful than killing half of everything and condemning the survivors to a slow death.

Oh, well yeah that would be more merciful.

But Thanos' actions wouldn't result in a slow death, the galactic population would rebound eventually.

I'm inclined to assume that plants (normal plants, not Groot) and similar organisms were spared by the snap, possibly non-sapient animals too. As dumb of a plan as it is already, it becomes infinitely stupider if he doesn't. Plants and animals are resources, so...

Though to be fair, people are a resource, too, which is a big part of why his plan doesn't make a lot of sense. That means half the customers, half the investors, half the workforce is gone. This is part of the capitalist argument against overpopulation, actually-overpopulation frequently pretends there's a fixed amount of wealth that's distributed between people, rather than the reality of wealth being created by human productivity, which is often a mistake made people advocating wealth redistribution. IE, assuming there's a zero-sum game relationship between rich and poor, which isn't how it works.

In addition, the most glaring flaw in Thanos's plan is that population would rebound in a single generation.

@Tuckerscreator: To be fair, that did eventually become his plan in Endgame.

If you apply "living" to things like bacteria and other microorganisms, Thanos is essentially wiping out every remotely developed ecosystem he impacts.

Those little buggers are important.

"Plants and similar organisms" would include micro-organisms.

Thanos apparently used Gamora's world as proof that his "kill half of the population" idea works. Never mind that we only have his word to take on it and that he's clearly biased.

I choose to believe most of the worlds benefited because the trauma was so horrible they all came together in peace.

:)

You can tell Thanos is completely off his rocker in Endgame, when he learns that his plan didn't actually work. And what does he learn from that discovery? That he didn't go far enough and will proceed to wipe out everybody this time.

In the end it was all about him. Even in Infinity War he said he expected the universe to be grateful.

His Plan didn't work because it was reversed. He decided to kill everyone and remake the world because he realized that people would keep trying to bring the dead back and was pissed that they had rejected his "gift".

The all about him interpretation doesn't work that well because we saw that he was willing to die and accept death gracefully in the beginning of Endgame.

Granted, that Thannos wsa already in peace because he got what he wanted, he got is ego trip, so is life was complete.

I mean, as that video on last page said, the whole "You need to kill people to get rid of overpopulation" thing is a myth since 1) there is enough food for everyone, its just not shared evenly 2) there are efficient energy production methods, they just aren't considered as profitable as the less efficient ones 3) there is space enough for everyone, it just not used efficiently (plus there are fricking space stations in the movie verse were thousands of people live)

Like all Thanos' plan has to do is proving to everyone that he is right(when he very much isn't)

Except the first sign that the counter-snap worked was that the tree in the courtyard suddenly had birds in it again, implying they got snapped too.

So. Many. Thumps. My poor eyes.

What were they saying, anyway?