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edited to add this information, since this is going to be a long clean-up

"Donald Trump, as with any other current political figure, should not be a subject of any trope example on the wiki, except:

  • When the work in question specifically mentions the RL individual.
  • When the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of that individual in the work.
  • When the work is fictional.

All three of these must apply.


  • When the RL individual has a creative role themselves, such as writing or acting in a work. In this sense we give them no more nor less treatment then we would any other creator.

Additionally, please make sure to take out any examples of "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, Harsher in Hindsight, or Hilarious in Hindsight regarding these political figures. A political event that may be seen positively by some people may be seen negatively by others.

We're starting with the wicks to Donald Trump (There were 751 of them at the starting point of this count.)

Wicks have already been checked and cleared up to

2/14/17 Inherent in the System

Given the current political climate, talking about Donald Trump on this Wiki is a very sensitive topic and pretty much any comment on him could easily end up violating the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. I talked it over on Ask a Troper and a moderator gave me permission to start this topic. I feel it will be necessary to make sure any mention of him is safe and avoids politically charged or biased opinions. Right now, we need to stick to facts, not opinions.

edited 14th Feb '17 12:48:31 PM by Madrugada

Dec 23rd 2017 at 5:09:01 PM

Maybe put the removed End of an Age content in a YMMV sub-page? Not so much the Trump-specific stuff, but rather the content about the perceived decline of post-Cold War liberal democracy.

edited 23rd Dec '17 5:15:12 PM by DeepRed

Dec 24th 2017 at 9:38:19 AM

Trope articles aren't allowed to have YMMV subpages.

edited 24th Dec '17 9:38:52 AM by Gideoncrawle

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Blapper of Water
Dec 24th 2017 at 3:27:59 PM

If it needs to be removed, then there doesn't seem to be any reason to not remove it. Moving the content to a hypothetical subpage is not really removing it...

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Dec 31st 2017 at 1:17:50 PM

Someone just added this to YMMV.Coco, under Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped.

  • While the movie has been in production for six years, and thus wasn't created with the intent of dropping this particular anvil, the heavy subtext of "Mexico is a beautiful country full of beautiful people" is sorely needed in the United States in 2017.

It's pretty obvious this is a jab at Trump. Should it be removed?

Dec 31st 2017 at 7:20:36 PM

Even if we set aside ROCEJ concerns, the example looks like blatant shoehorning. Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped is not about hindsight, and I'm not sure "subtext" even qualifies as an anvil in the first place.

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Blapper of Water
Jan 1st 2018 at 4:54:25 PM

That's too specific to be "subtext." I agree that that's just shoehorning and can be removed regardless of ROCEJ. Though it pretty clearly is a jab at either Americans or Trump anyway.

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Jan 5th 2018 at 1:15:36 PM

Found what looks like blatant shoehorning on YMMV.Election (which was released in 1999, and which the page itself admits was mostly likely references the 1992 election if any at all):

  • Hilarious in Hindsight: During the 2016 US Presidential election, many political and pop culture writers noted that the film could easily be read as a Roman Clef of the real-life events of that election, despite having been written almost twenty years prior and largely based on the 1992 election. To wit...
    • Tracy Flick can be read as a stand-in for Hillary Rodham Clinton, as an overachieving, blonde-haired female candidate who is both the most obviously qualified for the job and seems to be running more for her own sake than that of the school — reflecting the most widely-cited strengths and weaknesses of Clinton's campaign to an almost uncanny degree. Tracy's campaign slogan of "you won't just be voting for me, you'll be voting for yourself" even carries many of the same sentiments of Clinton's more concise "I'm With Her". When Reese Witherspoon was asked if she'd ever play Clinton in a movie, she replied that she already had — in Election.
    • Elements of Donald Trump, meanwhile, can be read into both Paul and Tammy Metzler. Paul is a comically unprepared candidate who trades on his glories as a football hero to win over the crowd (much as Trump used his past as a celebrity business mogul), while Tammy is a bomb-throwing outsider whose campaign is built entirely around outrageous, attention-grabbing statements meant to express her and her classmates' disillusionment with the entire system.
    • And finally, Mr. McAllister can debatably be seen as a stand-in for Vladimir Putin. He rigs the election out of pure spite for Tracy, switching two votes from her to Paul. Putin's government, meanwhile, has been accused of meddling in the 2016 election in favor of Trump, with alleged acts ranging from spreading propaganda to going so far as to hack into voting machines in key swing states.

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King of Nitpicking
Jan 10th 2018 at 11:29:36 PM

The Coco example, I don't know where that came from, but I would pull it, as that is actually inserting an opinion into the work.

Maybe this thread should be moved to Long Term. Have I proposed that already?

Edit: Late to the party. That part of the page has already been removed.

Should I message the person who wrote it?

edited 10th Jan '18 11:32:12 PM by jameygamer

Jan 11th 2018 at 11:30:48 AM

Shortly after the Coco example was removed, someone (not sure if it was the same person) added this in its place.

  • Co-Director Adrian Molina, from an interview with NPR, in response to a question about if the meaning of making a film set in Mexico over the course of six years changed at all since the 2016 election: "Well, it's a long time coming for Latinos to see themselves on screen represented in a way that they can be proud of and in a way that reflects the things that they value about their culture and they value about their families. [...] And for a family to go and see themselves reflected on screen the way they experience their lives and see that shown to the world means a lot. It means a lot for your self-esteem, and it means a lot for how you see yourself in the world."

Jan 11th 2018 at 11:06:43 PM

[up] Yep, that was added by the same user, K.

I'm now taking this to Ask The Tropers to see if this is Edit War.

edited 11th Jan '18 11:13:44 PM by jameygamer

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Blapper of Water
Feb 12th 2018 at 11:05:56 AM

TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.Real Life has one of those "alternative facts" propaganda speeches against Trump. Should it be trimmed or cut completely? This page seems to have a general problem with quoting large pieces of speeches.

Funny.Real Life doesn't seem kosher.

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lalalei2001 from At my computer
Apr 1st 2018 at 6:53:27 PM

Unsure if this is directly related, but the Louder With Crowder series, which I discovered via its placement on Yet Another Christmas Carol trope, showcases 'alternative content' and the aforementioned Christmas Carol parody was about Youtube censoring stuff. The wording and the, well, loudness of the content made me a bit suspicious, and the trope page and its subpages might need some cleaning ^^; One entry on the trivia page is about a defiance of Too Soon.

edited 1st Apr '18 6:55:08 PM by lalalei2001

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:02:29 AM

The Quotes page for Incest Subtext is filled entirely with Trump making skeevy comments about his daughter. This violates our No Real Life Examples, Please! regarding the page and the page should probably be cutlisted.

SeptimusHeap Tadpole! from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Apr 2nd 2018 at 8:06:33 AM

Some of these read like in-work examples, maybe these can be kept.

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Blapper of Water
Apr 4th 2018 at 6:03:35 AM

None of those works are fictional, so the quote entries do break the ROCEJ. Plus it's obviously troping with an agenda... on top of breaking NRLEP.

edited 4th Apr '18 6:05:54 AM by WaterBlap

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Apr 17th 2018 at 12:11:44 AM

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May 8th 2018 at 11:39:54 AM

From Deader Than Disco:

  • The undercut hairstyle, with the hair buzzed on the sides but left long on top, was sported by celebrities like ''Macklemore and David Beckham in The New '10s and was considered stylish in the first half of the decade. Then white nationalists, most notably alt-right leader Richard Spencer, started sporting it both in tribute to Nazi soldiers wearing their hair that way to make taking their helmets on and off easier as well as the style being less intimidating than the classic "skinhead" look. People who weren't white nationalists abandoned the style in droves after Donald Trump's election. Even Macklemore abandoned the look. The look has become the 21st century equivalent of the toothbrush mustache.

If the last part is the key factor, too soon to say? Or should we just cut the Trump part.

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Blapper of Water
May 8th 2018 at 2:44:25 PM

Trump has nothing to do with that example... And Macklemore isn't exactly the paragon of fashion or anything... And if the hairstyle is still popular (regardless of what group it's popular with) then it isn't dead by definition...

I say just cut it entirely for misuse of the trope.

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Songbird in training
Jun 4th 2018 at 5:12:33 PM

That trope should be NRLEP anyway, since it's ripe for passive-aggressive sniping at best and outright trolling at worst. Just my two cents.

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