A massive deconstruction crossover of cartoon and anime

Hello there. I have been thinking about a idea of deconstructing cartoon and anime related tropes and plots. The idea involves a Mickey Mouse-esque detective character who is called to investigate a crime in a deconstruction of a city inhabited by cartoon and anime characters with a dash of video game and literature characters which turns into a massive conspiracy.

My goal is to heavily deconstruct the ideas of anime and cartoon stuff and examine and explore meta-concepts and ideas specifically the Animation Age Ghetto, logic of animation, the animation industry, anime and cartoon characters, comedy, cliches and everything involving anime and cartoons with video game and literature characters to the mix.

So what would be your opinions and suggestions for my idea?

Jesus you again?

I feel like you're just playing off of everything Watchmen did, without the political stuff

edited 12th Aug '16 8:59:34 PM by SephirotAero

Yes, what I'm writing is a Watchmen for animated characters. And for the cynical Yoshi here I am addicted to the Forums.

But, hey, we should stick on deconstructing cartoon and anime.

edited 12th Aug '16 9:58:17 PM by Huthman

Normally, I would just lurk as I usually do, but this is something I'd like to comment on.

First, it should be noted that a couple of other writers, including myself, have come up with similar ideas. Not that you can't use this idea, of course, as there are different ways to use the idea of Toon society.

But the problem I have is that you've posted several worldbuilding ideas already, and it really looks like you're stretching yourself out without actually writing and developing anything. Some of the ideas you've had got some potential, but that's not going to matter if you don't actually develop those ideas. And, to be blunt, you do have to do some of the legwork of worldbuilding, as I'm getting the impression that you're just coming up with basic ideas and throwing them out for others to build upon. Not only would giving us more details show us you're actually working on your ideas, but it would help us to help you work out the kinks in your worldbuilding. To use an example, DokemonStudios started their thread with not just the idea of creating a modern Toon Town, but some details of what kind of world they wanted to build. Thus, we could offer ideas that line up with what they had in mind for their world.

Are the Toons/literary/video game characters of your world existing along us regular humans, of is it a Alternate Tooniverse of sorts? If they are created, what is the relationship like between the creator and the created? What are the laws and rules of your world? Who enforces it? Is there a hierarchy to this city of Toons? Is there conflict between different types of Toons, like the western animation characters vs the anime characters, or hand-drawn vs CGI? How does your Toon Physics work? Can anyone use Toon Physics or only certain Toons?

Also, while I can understand the inclusion of video game characters as they are animated and have powers similar to those in western animation and anime, I don't understand why you need to include literary characters at all, as I don't see how they can contribute to your overall deconstruction of western animation/anime tropes^note unless you're talking about animated adaptations of books, which then would be logically fair game. How do they help your story?

I don't want to be a disencouraging jackass, and I would like to see something good from your ideas, as I think they have potential. Hell, I'd love to help on this idea, as Toon Town / Animated Actors are some of my favorite tropes. But I want to know if you're going to really develop this idea.

Yeah, they'd seem interesting, I do that so I could use some things for inspiration for my stories and sometimes, when I'm not in a good mood, I'm not very creative, I'm just some guy trying to be a novelist and a creative writer.

For this, the animated characters live in their own universe. The relationship between creator and animated character is usually varies. The laws are usually human laws and the law enforcement is animated characters who like to control by the orders of the Mayor. The toon and anime physics are the same. Most animated characters can use this physics but still follow the human laws of physics and some animated characters.

An oh, I added characters from literature mostly from Children's and Young Adult Literature.

A extra note: I'm just too addicted to TV Tropes and most of my ideas pop up in my head disappear very quickly. Sorry, if I wasn't a creative guy (Somewhat?)

edited 13th Aug '16 1:53:38 AM by Huthman

I can kinda relate but don't expect me to write novels. I wanna be a comic book writer instead. It's not easy or any thing but it does mix two things I'm good at into one craft. Honestly, your idea you've shown is promising and I wish you could write the lore, history, and culture within it.

I surely love this idea, but my question is that is it going to have a dark gritty theme or rather a fun South Park-style satirism? And what kind of thing will you be making? Novel-style big reads or comic-like light reads? I myself am trying to get a collab for a superhuman and superhero satire med-length webcomic. While the planned tone isn't so dark and edgy, hopefully any point I threw across will be rather deconstructive. And I probably need a cliche-sensitive editor to round things up. Would you like to join this collab? Still haven't got anybody though.

I'd like to add something though, and it is reconstruction of tropes. After breaking down a (lot) of tropes and by such redefining a shit ton of cliches that people will use (like, ahem, your Watchmen-esque idea), why not redefine the cliche set (again) using critical thinking and flaw-patching of the previous tropes and make a new yet greater work that closely resembles the original but better, (example, from Gundam to Evangelion to Gurren Lagann)? I mean it's one of the best ways you can create a rollercoaster of emotions, by taking a trope, shitting on it, and rebrandishing it using shit-proof spray (which is the difficult part). I would also like to add this thing as an indirect sequel to the above deconstruction when I could, but yeah.

edited 13th Aug '16 7:23:00 AM by legonut031

It's a dark and gritty story and I'm not having a good day today.

well...shucks

I'll be back in a hour.

I'm back.

ok please explain

Okay here cynical Yoshi, I've got new ideas for deconstruction

For example

• The Stereotypical Anime Villain is deconstructed by having him being a weakling towards the Shonen hero and obsessed with only getting stronger to defeat his opponent even it means killing him.
• Pokemon is deconstructed by having the cruelty of fights and usage as violent weapons.
• The Moe character is deconstructed by having her forcing to see the darkness and pain of animation and revealing her darkness and pain.
• Kick Buttowski is deconstructed by having sadomasochistic and Adrenalin junkie behavior.
• Glenn (Family Guy) is deconstructed by being a rapist Complete Monster.

So any ideas and suggestions?

Well, if you need ideas on how to do the Pokémon deconstruction, Shin Megami Tensei might be something to check out...which is kind of funny, since Shin Megami Tensei is even older than Pokémon and already deconstructing tropes in works featuring Mons.

Also something to note: your ideas don't seem to be deconstructions at all, but simply Darker and Edgier takes on supposedly "stereotypical" stories. Remember, a deconstruction is a glimpse at how a trope would play out in real life, and a Darker and Edgier show does not make for an automatic deconstruction.

To make a deconstruction, you should really study up on the tropes being used in the type of stories you want to deconstruct. Get a good understanding on what tropes are used, why they are used, and what said tropes would be like if they were applied to real life.

Also be careful of generalizing works. For example, "Shonen hero" doesn't really mean much since Shonen works have given rise to numerous types of heroes, and not all of them are the same; after all, you'd be hard-pressed to say Monkey D. Luffy and Yoh Asakura are similar characters save for their determination. A deconstruction of Naruto is not going to be the same as a deconstruction of Bleach, since the two works deal in different themes.

edited 13th Aug '16 8:37:55 PM by dragonfire5000

The what would be a deconstruction of my list very be like?

Here are my thoughts:

• Hard to say, because "stereotypical anime villain" is a worthless phrase. Anime, which simply refers to anything animated in Japan, has given us far too many varieties of villains. Is there a particular type of villain you're trying to deconstruct? There's a good chance that sort of villain isn't limited to just anime.
• Shin Megami Tensei if you're deconstruction Mons in general. If you're deconstructing Pokémon specifically, think beyond "Pokemon battles are actually super violent and the people who indulge in them are cruel!" Think about what a world populated with super-powerful creatures would be like and the consequences of living with said creatures. Make sure to think of both good and bad consequences.
• "Moe character" is not informative. Are you referring to characters who purposefully play up their cuteness or just characters that look "cute?"
  • If it's the former, try thinking of how people might react to such a character or why said character might act that way in the first place.
  • If it's the latter, then you need to make sure that the character's appearance truly stands out compared to the other characters for the deconstruction to work. Don't go the deconstruction route if you just want to make fun of art styles.
• I have no idea who this character is. Explanation?
• I have no idea who this character is. Explanation?

edited 13th Aug '16 8:52:49 PM by dragonfire5000

Do you watch Disney XD and Kick Buttowski. Did you search it on the internet about the TV show.

Ever heard of Family Guy and know about the characters?

Never watched those shows. Hence why I asked for further explanations. That way I can get a better idea on what aspects of the characters you are trying to deconstruct.

Let me give you a short explanation of these shows. (If I am biased against them)

Kick Buttowski is about a young boy named Clarence Francis "Kick" Buttowski who aspires to become the world's greatest daredevil.

Family Guy centers on the Griffins, a family consisting of parents Peter and Lois; their children Meg, Chris, and Stewie; and their anthropomorphic pet dog Brian. The show is set in the fictional city of Quahog, Rhode Island. The character Glenn Quagmire is an appalling human being who is still caught in the rat-pack era as described by Sath Mac Farlane.

Still not too informed on what you want to deconstruct with Glenn Quagmire, but I think I can offer some suggestions for Clarence:

• Do not make him a sadomasochist and adrenaline junkie if he isn't like that in the show; that's not a deconstruction of his behavior, that's fanfiction dealing with alternate interpretations. A deconstruction would be an exploration on the consequences of his daredevil behavior, both good and bad.
• Consider how others treat him due to his behavior. If his daredevil stunts are life-threatening, how would the other members of the cast treat him in real life? Does his behavior inspire some people to be more daring as well? Does his behavior also cause others to treat him as a danger to himself?

Okay. I'll take some of that.

Glenn Quagmire from Family Guy is a bachelor who works as a commercial airline pilot. He is a sex addict and engages in sexual deviancy. (This is what I know about him, the show is just too gross to watch)

Jesus Christ, yet another deconstruction thread?

Uh, I'm just interested in deconstruction by the way.

Here are more ideas for deconstruction

• The Magic Idol Singer is deconstructed by having the entertainment industry and personal problems ensuing her own life as an idol singer.
• The He-Man character is deconstructed as some sort of Sociopathic Hero mixed with closeted gay.
• Morty (Rick and Morty) is deconstructed by having psychological problems in his life after many adventures dragged with the Rick expy.