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Jun 20th 2019 at 8:25:01 AM

I feel like a pre-Superman Clark joining the military because he wants to see the world and deciding that it’s not for him because of his own morals could be a fascinating development into the character. Someone has one idea of “good”, is told to get world experience from his father, and comes out with a completely different idea of “good” that doesn’t focus on might making right or nationalistic pride.

Unfortunately, we are dealing with Frank Miller, who squandered all his goodwill around the same time he published Holy Terror.

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Jun 20th 2019 at 8:26:06 AM

I'd have preferred him back at his home in the Lighthouse but ehhh Its alright

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See thats fine, I understand that, Its hard to trust frank cause He has always been the one pushing that Clark's a national patsy

Hell Clark joins the military to pay for College and Just see the world would be perfectly fine

but what I got was alot of people proclaiming the idea as awful cause the only people who join the military are violence obsessed whack jobs

and then go around and act like they don't have thinly veld contempt for people that serve in military and aren't pushing a moral superiority complex

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Jun 20th 2019 at 10:31:56 AM

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RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
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Jun 20th 2019 at 8:32:59 AM

The idea of Superman being beholden to the US Government is terrifying. Like there was a whole bit in Watchmen specifically about that.

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Jun 20th 2019 at 8:42:47 AM

How would they even give him a physical examination anyway?

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Jun 20th 2019 at 9:00:15 AM

[up][up]The upside is that if Superman is given an order he feels is morally wrong, he can refuse, and it’s not like anyone can stop him.

I mean, Captain America and Captain Marvel both joined the Armed Forces and they turned out okay. Honestly the probability of Clark seeing combat is pretty small. He could just want to learn discipline or something.

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Jun 20th 2019 at 11:21:58 AM

I'm sorry, I will not allow THE SOUP to be ignored.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jun 20th 2019 at 10:21:25 PM

Does anyone know the reason why Gorilla Grodd was made to eat brains, ever since at least The Black Ring? It seems to be there only to make him even more of a Complete Monster than usual. Same reason Vandal Savage was made a cannibal or how almost none of his past identities aren't history's greatest monsters.

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Jun 21st 2019 at 6:22:46 AM

Just a general trend toward depravity in a vain attempt to make the Villains look more intimidating.

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Jun 21st 2019 at 10:54:06 AM

Vertigo's done, Zoom and Ink will also be rebranded as "DC Kids"

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Jun 21st 2019 at 10:54:49 AM

Effective January 2020, DC is putting the kibosh on the Vertigo label.

From here on out, all adult DC books will go to DC Black Label.

EDIT: [nja]'d.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 21st 2019 at 1:55:28 PM

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Jun 21st 2019 at 10:58:07 AM

On the face of it, this is very silly: "Vertigo" has a thousand-times more name recognition than "Black Label." And it was always meant to be the part of DC that the more adult-themed stories were set.

But I've noticed that "Black Label" has also taken the place of the "Elseworlds" brand — publishing books like All-Star Superman and Kingdom Come — so it looks like DC just wants to consolidate things and doesn't care what they are called, which makes this even more silly.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jun 21st 2019 at 11:16:29 PM

@ Frozen Wolf: I know, but sometimes it comes off as narm. The Black Ring literally has Grodd wielding an enormous spoon and planning to take harvest brains for their knowledge

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Jun 23rd 2019 at 3:17:57 PM

I definitely don't trust Miller to write anything about Superman. But Clark—as Clark—joining the millitary? Yeah, why not.

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Jun 24th 2019 at 12:40:05 AM

Is it okay to discuss ideas for DC games here or do we need to create a new thread?

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Jun 26th 2019 at 3:32:03 PM

First look at Lois Lane #1. I love it already.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Jun 28th 2019 at 3:17:38 AM

Just realized something with Justice League (2018) (might be unintentional)-Perpetua isn't the Satanic Archetype, she's the Demiurge Archetype-a flawed creator deity who wishes dominion over the physical reality, but is inferior to the Monad-like ineffable Source. I guess this also makes her sons rebellious archons, particularly The World Forger

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slimcoder He kills you with culture... and also violence.
He kills you with culture... and also violence.
Jun 28th 2019 at 7:49:00 PM

Hahah so I read the page for the current Teen Titans/Deathstroke crossover event, The Terminus Agenda & I am once again amazed by how terrible a person Damien can be. [lol]

Managing a hidden underground prison for super-villains & actually implanting some kind of device that will kill them if get too far from the prison.

Damn that kid, I just love how he has all the potential in the world but he squanders it because try as he might he's still a terrible person regardless. [lol][lol]

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Jun 30th 2019 at 9:27:23 PM

A thing I find really interesting about the Silver Age Legion of Superheroes is how continuity-heavy it was and the number of Character Deaths, even if some were reversed later.

Jul 2nd 2019 at 9:50:46 PM

I just need to get this out and responded to

A while back, when I was on a Teen Titans fanfic idea kick, I kept receiving backlash from other posters for trying to make it seem like the character Blackfire could be redeemed and made into a hero, while the character, Deathstroke, in my ideas and basic opinion, was made to seem like a pure evil type of villain who would gladly kill and torture others if he simply wanted to see it happen. So I ask you are these ideas really all that far fetched? I mean, I seem to keep hearing people saying things that Deathstroke has the hallmarks of sorts to become a hero or anti-hero, but back then the only version of the character that I was aware of was 2003 version and he seemed like a complete monster. Since then, not a single version of the character that I have seen in DC media has ever made believe that he could be anything more than a villain. Also, is it wrong to believe that the character of Blackfire could somehow be redeemed from her villainous ways? Couldn’t Starfire just be given another arch nemesis?

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Jul 2nd 2019 at 9:53:36 PM

Since then, not a single version of the character that I have seen in DC media has ever made believe that he could be anything more than a villain.
I highly recommend watching the version of Deathstroke that's on Arrow. On that show, he starts off as a hero, then becomes a villain, and then ends up becoming something of an anti-hero.

There's also Deathstroke (Rebirth), written by the brilliant Christopher Priest, which has Slade go up and down on the hero/villain spectrum, but shows just how much of a terrible, terrible father he is.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Jul 2nd 2019 at 11:19:12 PM

Blackfire actually did start being depicted in a somewhat sympathetic light in Andy Clarke's REBELS. She also has a tragic backstory in being ostracized for inability to fly and superstitions about her birth which don't apply to her cartoon counterpart.

Slade was a complete monster in the cartoon and his comics incarnation is little better. Highlights include statutory rape of Terra, torturing his daughter into madness, mind controlling Cassandra Cain, and bombing Bludhaven, the city Nightwing operated in.

slimcoder He kills you with culture... and also violence.
He kills you with culture... and also violence.
Jul 2nd 2019 at 11:30:58 PM

Slade kinda flip flops depending on the writer.

He can be straight up villain or a very dark anti-hero depending how much "honor" they wanna put in the honorable mercenary trope.

I like how Priest has made him more complex. Like there are these moments of decency & even love from Slade but it doesn't deter from the fact that he is still a terrible person.

And it works because Slade is not beholden to anyone, he does what he wants. I can fully buy that he is willing to manipulate Terra in the worst of ways to get what he wants but he can have these moments of decency like how he destroys evidence that can arrest Adeline because in spite of it all he still loves his ex-wife on some level. He has his own way of thinking that is acknowledged as horrible.

Like it even translates to how he controlled Terra. He admits what he did to her was wrong but he doesn't regret it. He used her to get what he wants and he will step on anyone to achieve his goals.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 2nd 2019 at 11:31:52 AM

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Jul 3rd 2019 at 12:13:39 AM

Blackfire can be redeemed cause she hasn't done anything to my knowledge that fans don't consider unforgivable

unlike say thier attempts to make Doctor Light a hero without going the detail of making one Arthur E Light and Arthur G Light

or Mirage for destroying Dickfire

Slade got away with the Terra thing cause for some reason people let Wolfman get away with his Author inserts

Slade just throws Terra under the bus blaming her for everything 'Look can we talk about this... between Marv Marrying Donna to himself and then basically making Slade his active author avatar... I'm seeing things I don't like'

"When you rule by fear, your greatest weakness is the one who's no longer afraid."
Jul 3rd 2019 at 12:25:14 AM

IIRC, Blackfire was a cardboard villain to end all cardboard villains when Perez and Wolfman first introduced her in New Teen Titans. Nothing but empty brutality, even in the requisite childhood flashbacks. Not even any style to anchor it, like with Azula.

I'm not a whole lot fonder of Slade, but at least he was introduced with one or two personality traits beyond "complete piece of shit".


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