The Scrappy Cleanup

Cause they're a group, which this trope isn't about.

Yes Ferot there are people who like Mykan's stuff unironically. Surprising I know but they are out there.

Cut them then.

Those that are hated by the fans should be reworked to reflect it. Are the examples under TheScrappy.Friendship Is Failure examples of those hated by the works fans or just hated by haters?

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Aug 4th 2018 at 1:27:17 AM

Shouldn't a Scrappy be hated by riffers as well as fans? Like, even if you ironically enjoy something, there are parts of it that won't be liked as much. Just because I enjoy watching something like The Nutshack in an ironic manner doesn't make Horat any less annoying.

Riffers usually just wanna have fun. And usually, a Scrappy can be made fun of. Just look at Rhymey in Starfleet Magic. Everyone hates him, but the whole "SHUT THE F*CK UP RHYMEY" thing is just funny not because it's a running gag, but it's also funny in truth. It's just that Friendship is Failure has characters that, really, can't be enjoyed.

I honestly like FiF's concept; friendship can't solve everything, and a story where ponies have to learn that would lead to some strong story possibilities. It's just that Mykan instead uses this concept and turns it into a self-righteous Author Tract with no personality asides. And these characters either exemplify that aspect the most, and in the worst way, or just overall contribute nothing to the story like the Inuyasha characters in DARKNESS OF DIMENSIONS.

I'd say keep the Scrappy page for Friendship is Failure, but let's have a debate as to who should be kept and who should be scrapped.

Edit: Also, should it really matter if you're a fan of something? If someone who's just casually viewing your work and finding it okay or just not good hates a character, does that person's opinion not even matter?

Edited by SenorCornholio on Aug 4th 2018 at 9:21:11 AM

That is still an ironic fandom to a character.

So you're saying the ironic fandom doesn't matter? You have to be an unironic one for a Scrappy to count as a Scrappy? Pardon me if I find that the least bit limiting. What about the casual viewers, then? Do they not have a say?

Edited by SenorCornholio on Aug 4th 2018 at 9:24:20 AM

Why don't we find someone on TV Tropes who unironically likes Mykan's work and ask them for their opinion, then? If we can find one, that's great! Makes the trope page stronger for it! I'm all for constructive pages. But saying the people who don't like it don't matter is kind of a blanket statement. I mean, isn't the whole point of "YMMV" that people have differing opinions?

Edited by SenorCornholio on Aug 4th 2018 at 9:45:41 AM

Ironic fandoms matters, in that they disqualify a Scrappy.

That sounds like bias to me. Did TV Tropes forget to enjoy themselves? I'm not asking this to be mean; it's just...where did the fun go?

Also, you didn't answer my earlier question. What about casual viewers?

Edited by SenorCornholio on Aug 4th 2018 at 12:32:06 PM

We have strict cleanup threads like this in order to preserve the fun of the website.

As for casual viewers. If you want to provide evidence that they near unanimously hate the character, then please show us.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Aug 4th 2018 at 11:52:46 AM

Yes Ferot the examples of the scrappy on the friendship is failure page are hated by the fans who enjoy the work unironically. I know that sounds weird but it's true.

I don't quite understand how this is supposed to help preserve fun, but okay.

Because it would be like complaining about a war movie because you don't like war. A valid reason not to like, but as a complaint, it's Complaining About Shows You Don't Like and precludes constructive criticism.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Aug 4th 2018 at 1:04:29 AM

The Scrappy has attracted way too much complaining, hence this cleanup thread. Too many people use it to rag about characters they don't like, regardless of the characters' actual popularity. We want to keep the wiki free of wonking and whining. To quote Fighteer again:

Cutting these from Aho Girl:

• Yoshiko's mom is one for some, because of her Jerkass personality, especially since she apparently raped Yoshiko's father. Then there's her attempt to drug Akkun, have Yoshiko force herself on him, and get herself pregnant to ensure that they get married, all as part of her "retirement plan."
• Yoshiko herself also has quite a large number of haters, who openly enjoy the many scenes of her getting beaten.

"Some" seems insufficient, also Yoshiko's entry seems to lack context.

This was on AIR: Misuzu can also be this for those who dislike Air, because of her voice, breakdowns, and crying scenes which look ugly to them.

Uh, was there any issues?

Found these on Shokugeki No Soma:

• The Central teachers who rig the rebels' tests in the Hokkaido Promotion Exam Arc and Central's biased judges in the prior Tootsuki Reformation Arc are seen as little more than cowardly Hypocrites who can't even back up their elitism towards Central's opponents. Unlike those mentioned in Love to Hate, these characters don't have any positives to compensate since they aren't Shokugeki opponents.
• Some fans find the anonymous majority of the Tootsuki student body repetitive in how they constantly underestimate Soma and his allies. Worse, they get Flanderized into hating on all non-Central aligned students in general, including those that they used to look up to as elites.

Edited by MasterJoseph on Aug 6th 2018 at 1:04:07 AM

Both are groups and not meant to be likeable.

The first one disqualifies itself by specifying non-fans.

Found this on The Mr. Men Show: The season 2 characters, typically Miss Curious and Mr. Funny, aren't well-liked as they are considered annoying and/or bland by viewers. Though most of the complaints were from fans who liked their original counterparts/looks.

Shall I put it in the shredder?

I count the original counterparts as separate characters.

Grouping multiple characters into one example, and only describing annoyance. Cut.

Found this on Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket: It's been suggested by some fans of the series that Alfred's removal would significantly improve the show, despite the entire thing being a story about the effects of the horrors of war on innocents.

Cuttin' it due to insufficient hate.

From Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ: Emily Ounce gets a fair bit of hate because her character does nothing except obsessively pursue Bright despite knowing that he's Happily Married to Mirai (when her subordinate Milly points this out, Emily simply glares daggers at her). This obsessive crush even results in her eventual death, but most fans felt much sorrier for the Anaheim employees who had to put up with her crap and almost got killed alongside her.

Cutting this for the same reasons too.

From Mobile Suit Gundam Wing: Wufei wasn't much liked by the American fanbase, largely for his flip flopping sides on a dime and abrasive personality. Of the five, he's usually viewed as the least interesting.

Sounds more like an Americans Hate Tingle example, so I'm cutting this.

From SD Gundam G Generation: This varies per game depending on what the new series is, and what was cut out to replace it. Gundam AGE was seen as this for Overworld due to the lack of additions since G Generation 3D (which is considered a scrappy in its own right) and the amount of details removed from other series and causing various headscratchers in the process.

• G Generation 3D: The whole game is widely considered a scrappy for having various scrappy mechanics, cutting out wide chunks of series (just like the DS days), and following up World, the end result were a great deal of unpleased fans, especially those that forked the money to buy a Japanese 3DS and the game (bear in mind this was during the 3DS's launch year, when the system - but especially for this subject, its Region Coding - had yet to be completely blown apart by the hacking community).
• Crossdrive, due to its linear gameplay and the inability to save doomed characters from their fate unlike in Super Robot Wars or the handheld G Generation game.

THESE.AREN'T.CHARACTERS!!!! So, it's off to axe town for these entries

Edited by MasterJoseph on Aug 8th 2018 at 9:44:16 AM

Found this on V Ideo Games: The Thirteen Seekers of Darkness, revealed in Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance, is widely seen as a villainous example. The original Organization XIII has been widely praised as one of the greatest parts of the franchise, if not RP Gs in general. The new group, however, has gotten a lot of flack for its Diabolus ex Machina introduction, Retconning the original's purpose into little more than a Flawed Prototype, and being little more than a Me's a Crowd for Master Xehanort — himself already a major Base-Breaking Character for being the source of most of the infamous Kudzu Plot.

Should this be cut since this is a group?

The game isn't even out yet. I say cut away.

Should I cut this from Kingdom Hearts 3D [Dream Drop Distance] too?: For some, the Dream Eaters are this for Donald and Goofy.

This refers to a group.