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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
"A rule later implemented solely to counter one specific situation."
One-Track Mind (he/him)
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I don't think it's about countering one specific solution tho. I think it's about countering loopholes in the rules.
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"A rule that only exists to deal with a specific problematic interaction"? An Obvious Rule Patch isn't typically closing multiple unrelated loopholes in one go, if only because a single rule closing multiple loopholes only really can happen if they're related.
Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 8th 2023 at 2:24:34 PM
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
Ah, that makes sense. Your laconic proposal makes sense too.
The Obvious Rule Patch is singular. The description doesn't say the "patch" must close loopholes plural.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
That makes sense too. For that reason I'm gonna leave the laconic as-is for now.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
Moving on, I think the OP is outdated. I believe the kerfuffle about Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy is what led to this thread getting started, but we have long since moved past that.
(Never mind the fact that Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy has long since been renamed and redirected.)
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If you want the OP to be updated, it would be helpful if you rewrote a new OP or gave us specific things you want to fix. We can't expected to just fix the OP without knowing what needs to be done and why.
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One-Track Mind (he/him)
Never mind then.
The laconic for Meaningful Name is simply "you don't have that name for nothing"
Suggestion:
Lucas the Dreamer
Suggestion.
the Retromancer
I'm skeptical on "qualities" wording, as Meaningful Name is also used for attributes, cultural connections and stealth spoilers.
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Lucas the Dreamer
How about qualities/attributes?
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
"Characteristic"?
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Suggestion:
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 10th 2023 at 1:43:36 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
I like that one.
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Lucas the Dreamer
How’s this for Evil Is Petty since the current laconic isn’t great.
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Jun 13th 2023 at 7:28:17 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Does everyone agree with wyldchylds suggestion?
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Laconic.A Death In The Limelight currently reads:
We're almost sure that it doesn't make sense to include main characters here — you can't get A Day in the Limelight if being in the limelight is your standard role — but even if it does, "minor character or main character" is just "character" with unneeded words, right?
The addition of "main" character was by
~somepersonnamedcaloy a few months ago while expanding the laconic in general.
hiyo it's cal/azul here, i thought it would make sense if it wasn't just exclusive to main characters but if you want me to correct it to the prior description I'll be okay with doing so
the Retromancer
That's kind of mouthful and specific. Suggestion:
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tbh at this point we're more questioning whether or not the trope does in fact exclude main characters, because the description is less clear about that than it should be.
Obvious Rule Patch says "A rule existing solely to counter one specific situation." But I don't think the trope is about that, I think it's about closing loopholes the rulemakers/game designers/whomever else didn't intend to have in their ruleset.
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