It's the product of a split of Logical Fallacies. It was done rather haphazardly from what I remember
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Note that Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! claims to be more or less the same thing, except in trope format, and it's in the trope repair shop for underuse, lack of clarity, and very misleading name. One (partial) solution to both problems might be to move this to Useful Notes, and transplant the Nuke trope in its place.
(The other discussion is here
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Appeal to Force is the most basic logical fallicy, and should not be omitted from the list simply because somebody doesnt like the way it's formatted. If you're going to make a big list of logical fallicies, you have to include its simplest form.
That said, the whole thing is a series of Useful Notes pages. Move one, move them all.
EDIT: Ack, the formatting be awful alright. That closing paragraph should come before the list of examples.
Also realises that omitting the page from the list was never discussed.
(Bangs head.)
edited 10th Sep '12 3:36:32 PM by OmegaKross
Can't think of anything witty, so have this instead...
Bumping here. Do we move this to Useful Notes and plug Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! in?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Clocking.
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That's my vote.
No, the other one.
What about Might Makes Right?
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If you're going to move Appeal to Force to Useful Notes, all of the other pages on Logical Fallacies should be moved there as well.
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Aren't they already useful notes? Even if they haven't been properly namespaced yet?
Agree that the Fallacies pages should be moved to useful notes.
Bumping this. Do we need a crowner for the Logical Fallacies namespacing here?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
These are tropes. Let's don't just have a page-move drill for its own sake. There is plenty to do.
At most they might need some text explaining how they are used in storytelling.
edited 15th Jan '13 1:22:42 PM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
So do we just need a rewrite? Unfortunately, I am not good at description rewrites.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
World's Toughest Milkman
But we already have this separately as a trope. (See above.) Two different names for the same trope can't be a good thing.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
Well, cut Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke!!, then, if only because of the crappy title. I'd much rather the trope have a name that will be used than yet another useless snowclone.
edited 19th Jan '13 1:51:58 PM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Nevermind.
edited 19th Jan '13 1:59:13 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Ok, I think that we have already two tropes for the storytelling use of Appeal to Force (Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! for the character using it and Might Makes Right for the author), but since the former has only 70 wicks and a line of dialogue as a name, I propose to put the current trope Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke! into the page Appeal to Force and ditch or redirect Screw the Rules, I Have a Nuke!.
eta: Because there is no point in disambiguating.
edited 19th Jan '13 3:36:50 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Makes sense.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Looks like a good idea to me.
Also, ugh, that formatting is so bad.
edited 19th Jan '13 9:11:39 PM by ArcadesSabboth
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Ok, do we make a crowner for this change?
Also, I've found an older thread that deals with some of the other pages on the index.
Haven't seen arguments against the change. May as well just proceed.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
I'll do it as soon as dinner is done, then.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
And did the rename. I put the old def of Appeal to Force under Sandbox.Appeal To Force, by the way.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanCool. Then I'll lock this.
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When I read this trope, I'm not sure if it's trying to be a normal trope, or a useful notes page. The formal also makes me go "Why did they do it like that?" Also, this article is almost 2 years old; lacking examples considering that?