Duplicate Trope: Woodys Finest Hour

Cut Short

Woody's Finest Hour

Is there a difference here? I don't see it.

Woody's Finest Hour seems to be the subtrope where the series ends on a cliffhanger. Terrible name, though.

Agreed. You'd have to be familiar with the trope-namer to get and it's not obvious then.

I don't really care about the name, although that could be raised as a separate issue. That just seems like a really fine distinction between tropes.

I'm leaning toward cut, but rename if kept.

There's a difference between a cliffhanger because it got cancelled (suddenly) and doing it on purpose and doing it, in case the series is renewed.

I think this should be a Sub-Trope of Cut Short and Cliffhanger, and definitely renamed.

Bump?

I suppose we could have a subtrope of Cut Short devoted only to shows ending in cliffhangers (rather than just ending randomly)...

Edit: But seeing that Cut Short's examples are nearly all cliffhangers, there's not much point in that.

edited 7th Jul '12 6:31:03 PM by Routerie

Yeah, I'm pretty neutral when it comes to the whole lumper-vs-splitter thing, but this seems excessively splitty to me.

I say cut this trope short. Many of the Cut Short examples are cliffhangers as it is.

I agree with merging them under Cut Short.

Agreed. I don't think that there's enough of a distinction here.

So have we a consensus?

My $0.02 to the merge suggestion: The only difference between Cut Short and No Ending is that the latter was intended by the creator and the former was forced either by Executives or by Author Existence Failure. The only way we can know the difference for sure is either by Word of God either way or by the state of the final episode, with a Cliffhanger being prima face evidence that the show was intended to continue.

In light of this, I say merge as a soft-split:

• Cut Short
  • As indicated by Word of God or Word of Saint Paul (show staff, as opposed to Fan Wank, i.e. Word of Dante)
  • As evidenced by an unresolved Cliffhanger (not merely a Sequel Hook)
  • Conjecture (SequelHooks go here)

Isn't Left Hanging basically this?

As of now, I'm pretty sure we should cut this.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's a consensus by now. Speak now, or else I'll cut it.

Left Hanging doesn't seem to match. A lot of the examples there are of shows that were at least intended to "end" in some fashion, whether it be an ending as a series finale or as a season finale (that never lead into a next season).

I think Woody's Finest Hour is a case of The Same But More Specific for Cut Short. The "more specific" bit being that this is supposed to be (or at least initially intended) for cases where there was significant build-up at the cliffhanger in question before the series was pulled.

To go with a more exaggerated, hypothetical example, it'd be like a show getting pulled off the air at a series' penultimate episode where things are at or around the series' climax, with the intended series finale never materializing in some form.

edited 1st Oct '12 7:55:33 PM by Bakazuki

I can't see a reason to not merge the examples back into Cut Short and cut Woody's Finest Hour unless there are inbounds that will be broken. And frankly, the name sucks rocks. Big green mossy ones with centipedes under them.

Hmm. 30 inbounds in 10 months... That's a fair number of inbound links to break...

How about

• Merge the examples back into Cut Short,
• redirect Woody's Finest Hour to Cut Short,
• Change all the wicks to Cut Short, and
• lock it?

edited 1st Oct '12 9:44:00 PM by Madrugada

It'll take a while, but that's probably the best plan of action.

Shouldn't take long. There's only 11 wicks to change. That'll take maybe fifteen minutes.

So is pretty much everyone in favor of cutting? That's what it seems like to me.

Based on everything I've read, I'm definitely in favoring of cutting. No good reason not to.

+1 to cut.

Redirect to Cut Short. 30 inbounds are a bit too much to lose them, but the page is for the rubbish chute.