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fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
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#1: Feb 24th 2012 at 8:24:56 PM

Hey guys, first time time posting on the forum, though I've been active in YKTTW for years. I usually avoid web forums like the plague. But it occurs to me that the trope name "Welcome to the Liberator" is confusing because the name is 1) dialog-y, and not in a good way; 2) does not actually describe the trope, which is:

Phenomenon on TV shows where when character A leaves, they are soon thereafter replaced by character B, usually of similar age and same gender, who also usually fill or are supposed to fill a similar role.

Thoughts?

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#2: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:02:57 PM

Oh, dear lord, that name is horrible. It's not only completely non-indicative, it's actively misleading. I assumed that it was about scenes like the one (intercut with the Heroes finding and laoding the gold, here) at the end of Kellys Heroes, where the liberating army is marching into a town amid fanfare and rejoicing by the residents.

edited 24th Feb '12 9:05:12 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#3: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:04:35 PM

Well lets see it is pretty much a non-ymmv instant Replacement Scrappy.... Instant Replacement Party Member? Or just Instant Replacement.

edited 24th Feb '12 9:06:43 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#4: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:40:38 PM

I definitely agree that the current name is pretty non-indicative. Aside from the names Raso mentioned, I wonder if something like Convenient Replacement or Convenient Replacement Character might work.

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
abk0100 Since: Aug, 2011
#5: Feb 24th 2012 at 10:32:47 PM

How is this trope different from Suspiciously Similar Substitute?

Is it just The Same But Less Specific?

edited 24th Feb '12 10:33:09 PM by abk0100

Ryusui It's The Greatest Day. from In The Middle Of A Field Since: Jan, 2001
It's The Greatest Day.
#6: Feb 25th 2012 at 1:41:34 AM

Suspiciously Similar Substitutes are the people who might be welcomed to the Liberator. >_>

And I gotta say, how the hell did this trope get launched with that name? Convenient Character Replacement is a much better name for this trope.

edited 25th Feb '12 1:41:49 AM by Ryusui

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fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#7: Feb 25th 2012 at 6:29:47 AM

Thanks for the responses, Folks. I assume it must be a very old trope, from before we got stricter about naming policies.

Now I have nothing against Blake's 7, in fact, I recently watched the entire series and now consider it one of my all time favorite shows, but Welcome to the Liberator is an example of Bad Trope Namer Syndrome.

I think this is basically indistinguishable from Suspiciously Similar Substitute, for my money.

Ryusui It's The Greatest Day. from In The Middle Of A Field Since: Jan, 2001
It's The Greatest Day.
#8: Feb 25th 2012 at 10:25:28 AM

Well, the thing here is that the replacing character doesn't have to be a Suspiciously Similar Substitute - they just have to be brought on as a previous character leaves.

In the event of a firestorm, the salad bar will remain open.
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#9: Feb 25th 2012 at 1:03:09 PM

Or a few episodes before the person left. (like say Star Trek Voyager Seven joins the cast and Kes leaves the very next episode and Seven replaced her but was nowhere near an expy, Final Fantasy IV any party member leaves expect a character to replace them ASAP, all are unique.)

Instant Character Replacement?

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#13: Mar 12th 2012 at 11:42:03 AM

There is now a single proposition rename crowner for this trope here.

Welcome to the Liberator found in: 10 articles, excluding discussions.

Since January 1, 2011 this article has brought 8 people to the wiki from non-search engine links.

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#14: Apr 2nd 2012 at 9:11:20 AM

Calling crowner in favor of renaming.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#15: Apr 2nd 2012 at 11:44:42 AM

There is now an alternative titles crowner for this trope here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d
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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#17: May 3rd 2012 at 8:13:55 AM

Bumping for votes.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#18: May 17th 2012 at 8:25:58 AM

Bump for more votes.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#19: Jun 10th 2012 at 6:43:27 PM

Calling crowner.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#20: Jun 11th 2012 at 2:34:10 AM

Done, with wicks, FAQ thread and Renamed Tropes. I also turned the runners-up in the crowner into redirects.

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AlternativeTitles: WelcomeToTheLiberator
2nd Apr '12 11:42:18 AM

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