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Comment out Zero Context Examples and leave this comment note on the page itself:

%% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.

Edited to be a thread header.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:49:56 AM by SeptimusHeap

Nov 29th 2011 at 1:40:35 PM

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Comment out Zero Context Examples and leave this comment note on the page itself:

%% Administrivia/ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.

Edited to be a thread header.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:49:56 AM by SeptimusHeap

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Nov 30th 2011 at 4:08:44 AM

It's not a silly idea. It's the reason the X Just X page exists but is a redlink - people potholing to it, in the same way as This Troper.

Goblin King of the Darkstorm Galaxy.
Nov 30th 2011 at 12:37:29 PM

Doctor Who: Return to Earth's trope list consists almost entirely of X Just X examples.

Oreochan from Pennsylvania
Dec 1st 2011 at 8:42:19 AM

[up] I think X Just X on work pages are deleted off the pages (this also goes for tropes)and added as a note in the discussion page, saying anyone who is familiar with the work to explain better how it fits the trope if they want to add it back in. Sadly, not too many people go to the discussion page.

edited 1st Dec '11 8:58:24 AM by Oreochan

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Dec 30th 2011 at 12:52:00 AM

Those Two Actors... the whole thing is just X Just X without even listing the movies they were in together its Just Take Our Word For It.

edited 30th Dec '11 12:53:29 AM by Raso

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Jan 26th 2012 at 3:29:43 PM

[up]I'll try to have a look at the wicks, see if there's any info.

ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Jan 26th 2012 at 6:42:09 PM

Jungle Opera is pretty bad.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer
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Feb 27th 2012 at 9:45:50 AM

Trauma Swing has only 23 wikilinks, but about half of them are with no elaboration whatsoever. Anyone want to chase it down?

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Oreochan from Pennsylvania
Feb 27th 2012 at 7:14:09 PM

Virtually all the examples and wicks for Funny Robot are X Just X.

edited 7th Apr '12 5:43:09 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
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Feb 27th 2012 at 7:26:35 PM

Well, there's not a lot more that needs to be said about them. The trope is "Robot as Comic Relief". And most of them do identify the work. We don't need subppoints of what people think are the funniest things they did.

edited 27th Feb '12 7:26:57 PM by Madrugada

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Feb 27th 2012 at 10:50:58 PM

That's right. Sometimes a citation is listed in a context where what would normally be Word Cruft or a Zero Context Example actually isn't (relative to context). Funny Robot could use a little expansion in the description department, but aside from that merely listing characer names from various works is enough context as is.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Mar 15th 2012 at 6:30:42 PM

In Which a Trope Is Described has many in the Literature section.

Also, why isn't this pinned?

edited 15th Mar '12 6:30:59 PM by ArcadesSabboth

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Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
Mar 16th 2012 at 3:52:07 AM

Thinking about Funny Robot a bit more, I think the examples could use expansion in terms of the type of comic relief each robot is. B.E.N. serves as comic relief in a very different way than Marvin, who in turn is funny in a very different way than MO. Though, really, the trope could use a tighter definition—right now, it's just "There's a robot! And it's funny!", when the humor is not a distinguishing feature of the robot character within that work. Compare and contrast the following.

  • Treasure Planet: B.E.N. plays wacky sidekick in every scene he's in before the climax, and is one of the three mostly comedic characters out of the nine mains. He's even doing comedy in the scene where Jim is being hunted by Scroop—which is otherwise one of the most tense scenes due to many of the shots being framed as though they were in a horror movie.
  • The Empire Strikes Back: Prissy protocol droid C-3PO comically over-reacts to situations that most of the other characters take seriously.
  • Futurama: Bender is comically sociopathic, but isn't any sillier than Farnsworth, Zoidberg, Hermes, Zapp Brannigan, Amy, Nixon's Head...really anyone other than Leela and Kif.
  • The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy: Like Bender in the above example, Marvin hardly stands out for being a comedic character in a story this ridiculous, but whereas characters like Ford and Zaphod are busy with over-the-top antics, Marvin sees all of the weird and wondrous things everyone else does...and is depressed about it. Constantly. The funny characters may be in the majority, but Marvin is funny in a way that's completely unlike any of the other major characters (whose types of comedy generally overlap a lot).
One of these does not belong. Also, I think this shows how we should expand upon the entries. (Obviously not this text exactly, since it was constructed to make a point.)

edited 16th Mar '12 3:52:43 AM by Ironeye

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer
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Apr 7th 2012 at 2:03:30 PM

I just completed a Wick Check and the following pages need either explaining or removal:


Please elaborate I Would Say If I Could Say on:

edited 7th Apr '12 2:03:56 PM by Stratadrake

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ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Apr 9th 2012 at 2:20:29 PM

The Jester consists almost entirely of this. I removed one example that didn't even name a character, but the majority of examples are just "(Character) from (Work) is this trope."

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Apr 10th 2012 at 9:08:29 AM

^ You're talking about in-page examples? Since that is a character/persoanlity trope, stating a character name from a work is approximately enough context to identify where the trope manifests in the work. But the Word Cruft has still got to go.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
Oreochan from Pennsylvania
Apr 10th 2012 at 4:13:37 PM

All the tropes on Roza are Zero Context Examples.

edited 10th Apr '12 4:14:34 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
Apr 10th 2012 at 5:12:45 PM

[up]That's got a fair amount of wicks (at least in comparision to amount of tropes on the page), which should hopefully provide some explanation.

I'll go through it and copy/paste anything that seems useful.

EDIT: Okay, a lot of it seems to be just weblinks with a brief not-too-indepth sentence, but it's a start.

edited 10th Apr '12 5:16:55 PM by MangaManiac

Apr 10th 2012 at 5:15:37 PM

[up][up] Wait, are you saying the work and a character's name is enough context in an example for a trope like The Jester?

edited 10th Apr '12 5:16:05 PM by captainpat

Stratadrake Dragon Writer
Dragon Writer
Apr 10th 2012 at 11:31:05 PM

Yes and no. It's basically the same as only citing episode numbers/titles for examples of plot-related tropes. It is enough to tell you where the trope appeared in the overall work, but it doesn't explain how the trope appears within stated episode — especially to someone who hasn't seen it already.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
ArcadesSabboth from Mother Earth
Apr 11th 2012 at 7:33:38 AM

It also doesn't justify including that example to anyone who's inclined to disagree.

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