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I have to say that the X Men franchise has been going on for decades. Maybe not as many as the Superman franchise has, but it still has quite a number to it.
One thing I am certain of is that the franchise seems to be subverting Status Quo Is God in recent years. Magneto and Professor Xavier seem to be fading into the background, with Cyclops and Wolverine taking their places. A lot of villains associated to the X-Men have been killed off and have actually stayed dead so far.
All this gives me the general impression that the franchise is trying to reinvent itself. Do you think that's what's going on here?
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:02:23 AM
"I AM A GIANT ROBOT SPIDER! LOGIC LEAPED OUT OF MY BRAIN AFTER THE FIRST NINE ONE WINGED ANGEL TRANSFORMATIONS!!"
That does basically sum up a lot of the fridge logic about continuing mutant hate after Decimation.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Mutant hate never made any sense....well maybe at one point, but there's so much Insane Troll Logic to it where mutants who's powers amount to farts too loud are hunted down with the same level of rage that Magneto (BAYBEE!) would be.
One Strip! One Strip!
The Mad Doctor
Of course, I'm sure the Marvel Universe hasn't forgotten how dangerous one mutant can be, which does raise a bunch of other questions about the other superhumans of the MU. You have mutants who can devastate the world by controlling the seas (Namor), the skies (Storm), and the land (Magneto) alone. This doesn't bring in the likes of the supposedly rare Omega-level mutants who can level solar systems to entire universes, see the Marquis of Death for more.
Even if you reduce them to 198 mutants, the question becomes less about the mutants replacing humanity. The question becomes whether we should throw human rights out the door and detain them based on our fears. That is a more complex and nuanced issue than the X-Men sitting in fetal position, sucking their thumbs over the extinction of their race.
Edited by alliterator on Jun 4th 2019 at 4:18:49 AM
The Mad Doctor
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Actually, he can control the seas now. Invaders shows that he absorbed Hydro-Man's powers, part of it actually, and it gave him the ability to control water. I don't think the mutant-hating public of Marvel will try to learn or know the difference.
It makes him unsexy, and Namor can never accept that.
Namor alone is proof that Marvel citizens' dislike of superhumans can be very much justified. When your first encounter with a superhuman is them trying to flood New York, the Sentinel program doesn't seem so unreasonable.
Takat Empress
With the reveal in 19 about Emma I think the mutants will leave the planet.
Mileena Madness
What about the reveal with Emma?
Takat Empress
ONE put a suicide squad bomb in her head to help kill off mutants. She also controlled Anole into making the cure.
Mileena Madness
Except it's not a cure, it's a vaccine, and Anole didn't make the vaccine, he only released it.
Thankfully there's only three more issues of this. 
Takat Empress
In the racists minds of ONE it is the final solution err cure to the mutant menace. Feel bad for Emma.
Edited by Mizerous on Jun 5th 2019 at 11:45:53 AM
Mileena Madness
I'd ask if it's really that bad, but, well. They already killed Rahne. How much lower can you go?
Scott marrying a Gynoid Sentinel to bring peace with the robots?
"Engage Love Matrix."
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PLEASE DO NOT ACTUALLY DO THIS.
NO DO IT. It would be insane enough to ACTUALLY be interesting.
The problem with Rosenberg's Uncanny isn't that he's making it bleak...it's that he's making it bleak and boring. Oh no Rahne's dead — if she went out in a blaze of glory, that would be one thing, but nooope, it was just some randos who beat her to death even though she could rip them apart within seconds.
The book tries to be bleak without understanding that it needs to be interesting, too.
Takat Empress
But muh edge and human bigoty clearly the most important thing in X Men because EVERY X MEN STORY IS THE SAME!
Mileena Madness
Surrounded by weirdoes
The stories about it would be interesting if it felt like they actually knew how to handle such a topic.
Wake me up at your own risk.
I still feel all of this crap verges on Like You Would Really Do It territory, especially as it's related to a reality-warp story.
I'm tempted to make a "Virgin Professor X vs Chad Magneto" meme at this point
Takat Empress
How is Magneto a chad when he also makes things worse for mutants? When was the last time he won?
Mileena Madness
So what do y'all think the odds are of there turning out to be a single big, clear villain behind the new mutant crackdown, a la Brainiac in the Cadmus arc?
Edited by HamburgerTime on Jun 5th 2019 at 10:24:22 AM
Ignore Bleeding Cool's clickbaity title, X-Men editor Jordan D. White says something actually good here.
Jordan: Oh man, you are going to get me in trouble. OK… I am going to go for broke and give you the real answer.
I would not have done “Decimation.” Maybe “Decimation” itself isn’t an event, but then I would not have done “No more mutants” at the end of House of M. I understand the criticism that people were creating mutants too freely, that it was too easy to just create a character and when coming up with a backstory just say “they are a mutant” … but I think you solve that problem internally by telling the writers to stop doing that. Actually wiping out the large bulk of mutantkind was something I didn’t think was the ideal choice and led to a lot of things I was not keen on in its aftermath.
To me, having mutantkind reduced to 198 people means they are not a minority anymore, they are a statistical zero. Hating and fearing mutants goes from being small-minded to nonsensical–you will never meet one, there are less than 200 in the world. It would be like hating left-handed people from Europe with the middle name Stefan–there are probably a few out there, but wasting your time thinking about them is silly.
Edited by alliterator on Jun 4th 2019 at 10:37:34 AM