Marvel Cinematic Universe

Looking at his IMDb page, he doesn't have any experience writing a feature film before. I'm seeing writing credits for an episode of Miracle Workers, some episodes of The Onion News Network and Jimmy Kimmel Live!, and a few writing credits for two Emmy Award shows and the 2017 Oscars.

Overall, he seems to have more experience writing skits than actual complete stories. I'll wait to see how this pans out though.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Apr 3rd 2020 at 7:04:27 AM

To note, Rick and Morty operates a writing room so he probably worked on more episodes than one.

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Jeff Loveness is also a pretty experienced comic book writer.

He wrote the 2016 Nova series. Featuring this scene.

Amusingly adult Cyclops has since been resurrected with his ten-self gone back to his original time so that's at least 1 confusing element removed.

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If I may turn to Endgame for a moment, given that Steve stayed in the past with Peggy, do you think he told her that Hydra had infiltrated S.H.E.I.L.D., thereby enabling Steve/Peggy/Howard Stark/whoever else to deal with them?

The writers of Endgame claim no, and that Steve's return to the past created a Stable Time Loop in which he was always Peggy's husband and retired while the other Steve still frozen did all the work in the present when he woke up.

Which... one, that doesn't match the film's prior claims that time travelers can't change their own pasts, and two, c'mon, there's no way Steve would sit by for decades knowing his best friend was being tortured and his wife having her life's work being corrupted from the inside.

So anyway, Steve created a timeline where he completely cleaned up America and prevented all the future disasters, that's canon.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:59:27 AM

IIRC, different people involved in Endgame have given completely different answers as to what that was about, which makes it pretty evident that the Steve's ending was either conceived separate from the rest of the plot or - more likely - tacked on to the end.

I'm hoping the Loki show sets down a more stable (no pun intended) set of rules for time travel.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I like the idea that the mechanics of time travel vary by method. The time stone works by different rules than the quantum realm, which works differently than the white monolith in Agents of Shield. Leaves them with more options for time travel stories in the future.

I missed the part where that's my problem.

I wonder....did old man steve ever tell peggy something about is time travel shananigans? like the fact he kiss her future niece?.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Someone did make a comedy skit about that, but the short answer is “don’t say anything, you don’t want to alter the timeline.”

You guys realize that all these questions have been asked multiple times before and the answer is, as always, "Believe whatever you want to believe." Steve Rogers isn't going to be showing up in the MCU again, so you can believe that he created an entire alternate timeline where Hydra was defeated early on or that he created a Stable Time Loop where he couldn't change anything. Neither one matters, because, once again, unlike the comics, Steve isn't going to show up ever again.

Unless they decide to recast him or something.

Edited by alliterator on Apr 4th 2020 at 8:05:33 AM

Even if he doesn't show up again, the actual thing is that those of us who are annoyed when someone is loud and wrong on the internet can't help but point out that the Stable Time Loop theory can't possibly work, and Multiverse Theory is the only way.

Take, for example, what I call the "Ego Wins" Timeline:

• In their removal of the Power Stone, putting aside the fact that they didn't have the orb the stone came in anymore, they knocked Quill unconscious, at a time when Korath was hot on his tails. Even if he gets away...
• How do the Guardians form without Gamora with them at the prison, or Gamora or Nebula's involvement in their formation?
• Without the Guardians as we know them, wouldn't Ego and Quill live long enough for Ego to find him, without the Guardians able to pull them apart?

Or the "Hydra" timeline:

• In the heist of the Scepter, Steve had to give up the knowledge that he was aware of Hydra, years earlier than he should have been.
• How does he get the Stone, or the Scepter (which he doesn't have) back to them? The Steve of that timeline would've told them Loki stole it, does Future Steve just tell them "I solo'd Loki and stole it back, never ask (past) me about this again"?
• Even assuming Sitwell or Rumlow don't talk to Pierce or Zola about it and find out how he knows (and if they do talk, obviously he has to die),
• Even if Steve doesn't talk to Natasha or Fury or Hill (and nip Hydra early),
• Sitwell and Rumlow's knowledge still changes the Lemurian Star mission

And then there's other minor things like Steve not having the Tesseract around the Space Stone. And who knows, maybe Thor: Love and Thunder falls under a "Jane is stressed the fuck out with secrets" timeline:

• Cap and/or Rocket would have to swear Jane to secrecy from 2014 to 2023 that on the day Thor's mom died, she saw a talking raccoon and Thor's friend Captain America take out, and then re-insert, the McGuffin that the bad guy was there for. (Or at least, I think he was there for that? I don't remember Thor The Bad One.
• So now that 2023 is finally here, Jane can be like "okay, I broke your heart because I was stressed about keeping that stuff from you, but I'm back now!"
• Side note, where the EFF is Sif?

Maybe the return of the Stones was just Steve and the Ancient One mindwiping everyone.

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I get what you're saying I do

but

Short of Chris Evans spontaneously tweeting "hail MAGA" the only other circumstance I could see where Steve Rogers doesn't come back in some form is Chris Evans dying in some freak weight-lifting accident.

I was going to say "freak helicopter accident" in reference to Civil War but... well...

Edited by Soble on Apr 4th 2020 at 9:07:55 AM

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Theoretically, if Steve did create an alternate timeline, then that alternate timeline could still appear in a film or TV series, even if Steve himself doesn't.

I still can't believe we exist in a timeline where the Netflix-vengers are done and Loki has a TV show all to himself. This is not where I thought we'd be 2 years prior.

And I still have to watch Jessica Jones Season 3.

At least Blade is a thing again.

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We've already noted the previous uses of time travel in Endgame followed the Multiverse route, but the last use of time travel could have created a Stable Time Loop. How? I don't know, maybe when he gave the Time Stone back to the Ancient One, she sent him back to the '40s with the Time Stone instead of Pym Particles, thus bypassing the alternate universe thing or whatever.

tldr; it's fiction, it can do what it wants, even if it doesn't make sense.

True; if we get another appearance of Peggy Carter, we may or may not get a confirmation. But that's a big "if."

Edited by alliterator on Apr 4th 2020 at 9:11:19 AM

Ego probably wouldn’t have bothered with Quill if not for the things he did with the guardians against Ronan and so on

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Given Chris Evans himself, if he tweets "Hail MAGA", I'd be pretty sure it was a Hydra/Skrull imposter.

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So I'm watching Spider-Man 2, and I saw the scene where Bruce Campbell works as a theater usher to kick Peter out. Apparently, he was supposed to be Mysterio in Spider-Man 4? That would have been amazing.

It's been 3000 years…

He cameos in all the films, and Mysterio was supposed to be the way to tie them all together. Alas...

Yeah, Bruce Campbell was supposed to be Mysterio in ''Spider-Man 4'', although he wouldn't have been the main villain. Basically, there would've been a montage of Spidey capturing criminals at some point and Mysterio was some punk he apprehended as quick cameo. Raimi was always focused on having the Vulture as the Big Bad.

This is the first I've ever heard any of that. I learned something today.

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Mysterio could still be played by Campbell.

Not only were there two other Mysterios in the comics, but considering the guy is a con-artist, I'm still not 100% convinced he really died at the end of Far from Home.

At most, I'm 75% convinced.

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Mysterio makes people more skeptical than Sosuke Aizen and the John Cena "Are you sure about that?" meme combined.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Apr 4th 2020 at 2:20:36 PM

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