Rename: Kavorka Man

There seems to be some decay in examples here, moving this towards Ugly Guy, Hot Wife, which is also under discussion right now. But the main problem, I think, is the name, which is a little obscure and doesn't explain much.

Suggested name: Seductive Slob

Check the wiks please.

What's the source of the term anyway?

Isn't it a pre-existent term?

No, I think it's a reference to a throwaway scene from Seinfeld.

It seems the problem is more with Ugly Guy, Hot Wife rather than Kavorka Man. The misuse is coming from that trope, which is already in TRS for clean up and misuse levels. This trope is working fine. However I support making the description on both a little more explicit on the differences.

The term originated with Seinfeld, but a Google search reveals that the term has become fairly widespread. I even found news articles asking if particular male celebs can be described in those terms.

"Kavorka", although deriving from Seinfeld, is well-known enough that Jon Stewart could use it without having to explain what it meant.

Defending a name meaningful only to one in-crowd with appeal to another doesn't work so well.

This one needs a rename — it's meaningless if you haven't seen a specific episode of a specific work. Since it's just gibberish to those not in on the secret, it's not likely to be misused. I guess we could call it Zackywahey Man and that wouldn't be misused either. People would have to read the article before they are use it at all.

edited 28th Apr '11 4:46:57 PM by Camacan

That would hold more water as a reason to rename if it didn't have 368 wicks and 1879 inbounds, but the level of usage here proves that it's obviously not too obscure for people to understand. If it were, we would expect usage to be low. It's even gained another 50+ inbounds in the 6 days since this thread was started—that's a superb rate of growth. This is a healthy trope name.

Furthermore, it's a pre-existing term, and pre-existing terms get a free pass. We definitely don't need a rename here.

edited 28th Apr '11 5:02:27 PM by troacctid

I suppose there's not much we can do about it with an inbound count like that. I would prefer renaming becuase the only reason why I remembered was becuase of it's odd name, and knew nothing of its history. I didn't even know it was used in real life until now.

Perhaps we can increase the redirect farm?

Ugly Casanova?

That would be a great redirect.

Done

I suppose that this doesn't really need a rename, any more than The Other Darrin. But all I can find on a Google search for "Kavorka man" suggest that the term was popularized by TV Tropes itself.

I'm coming up with plenty of Google hits for Kavorka Man that don't reference TV tropes at all. It's not something we just made up...it was coined by Seinfeld and entered the lexicon from there.

I'm not getting that. When I search for "Kavorka man" as a phrase, many of the hits refer back to TV Tropes.

edited 29th Apr '11 4:31:55 PM by Prfnoff

Use -tvtropes as a term. It will remove mentions of tvtropes

18,000 hits. The two first links specifically mention the trope. Also removed seinfeld references.

Remove the word man it jumps just to under 50,000 hits.

edited 29th Apr '11 4:34:24 PM by Ghilz

The pre-existing term is Kavorka. Because that doesn't give any context to anyone who doesn't know the word, we add man to let people know that it's an Always Male character trope.

I know that, I was just making a note on how widespread the term is.

You seem to. It was for the edification of others on this thread that do not.

I understand: "Kavorka Man" is a better name for a trope than "The Kavorka", which seems to be the memetic version. But the Google link was not to a phrase search; putting quotes around "Kavorka Man" reduces the hit count to less than 1000.

From what I make of it, while popularized by Seinfeld, Kavorka is a real word which means "lure of the animal." While people may not know what it is at a first glance, I'd say it's not difficult to understand what it means.

Given that we have tropes with Japanese names, like Tsundere and Genki Girl, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a trope with a name originating from Latvia instead.

I haven't been able to find a mention of the "Spanish proverb" quoted at the top of the page anywhere. It may be appropriate, but I think there's a good chance that it's erroneous.

"The term originated with Seinfeld, but a Google search reveals that the term has become fairly widespread" - no it doesn't, the term gets only 2200 hits. That's extremely low for a memetic phrase on the internet.

The name is meaningless, even to most Seinfeld fans considering it's only from a single episode.

Japanese names (except for historical tropes of legend) are discouraged for tropes that aren't more-or-less Japan-specific.

I don't think this is Latvia-specific. ;)

edited 12th Aug '11 8:40:56 AM by Xtifr