ImageLinks for inherently NSFW works pages

Hi. I just started an Image Links page for Morenatsu. After I got a good beginning, I went to the Image Links article and looked into inserting it. Then I discovered that TV Tropes prefers there to be no NSFW image links. The problem is Morenatsu itself is a Bara/Yaoi Visual Novel, and its media (including its official artwork) features tons of NSFW stuff. I know that the Image Links main page explained that we don't want it behind the curtain, but what about for works pages that are anticipated to be behind the curtain no matter what? Is it alright to keep Image Links pages for them, but just not index them in the Image Links main page?

Seeing as most NSFW pages I know of have no Image Links page, I'd say just don't do one. Or keep it tame. Put only images where people are dressed? Being behind the curtain is not a free pass at posting whatever content to begin with. Image Links pages are just extra fluff, doubly so on work pages.

Guess the question is HOW NSFW is what you want to post.

Also, on a related not, several images on that page require to create an account to see. may want to either delete those, or take them to a separate section.

Also, some of the afforementioned registered only images are outright pornographic, dunno if that's allowed (Don't think so as I've seen people getting Edit Banned for posting Image Links to one of the Booru sites)

edited 9th Feb '11 10:20:32 PM by Ghilz

Just take off the NSFW images.

I see. I suppose that can be done.

Alright, I've trimmed off the NSFW works. I decided not to delete the merely cheesecaky examples. This is Morenatsu, afterall.

edited 9th Feb '11 10:36:46 PM by Gilgameshkun

Having looked over that page, I doubt there's any cheesecake in it. Beefcake, on the other hand...

You know what I mean. XD In Bara, the phrase "beefcake" becomes rather redundant, and one can fall into the habit of saying "cheesecake" referring to beefcake.

Agreed with the above: we aren't interested in hosting pornographic content or links to it, regardless of context.

Okay, the links are much tamer now than before. Some pinups at most. All entirely appropriate in context. The game isn't wall-to-wall sex anyway — it spends most of its time teasing the player. Up until actual love scenes, it's mainly Ecchi.

I've been giving this some thought. It was brought up that most NSFW works don't have Image Links pages. But I realized why an Image Links page is so important for works like Morenatsu — they live and breathe off both official art and Fan Art as everyone waits for the Vapor Ware Visual Novel to be officially completed. So it is not just a work — it's a Memetic Mutation, especially on the Image Boards. An often Not Safe for Work meme, but a meme nonetheless. So there can be times when NSFW media and illustrations might be very relevant to a work (in a literary sense), and in ways that go beyond the NSFW nature.

......I don't really have a point, I just thought it was worth analyzing. XD

Out of curiosity, what purpose is served by collecting these images here on TV Tropes as opposed to somewhere else?

Well, since the art manifests itself in a Memetic Mutation kind of way, it helps serve to index links in one place. Otherwise, the art tends to be scattered across art communities, websites and especially image boards.

One would think this would be the job of a fansite or whatever.

Anyway, so long as theres no porn

What about inherently NSFW tropes?

If the image is NSFW, don't post it.

Several such pages have a no image decree for that very reason. Under Boobs for one

I was thinking about this thing before I pulled the image.

Edit: Looks like Fast Eddie added an admin notice immediately after.

Thanks for that.

edited 13th Feb '11 12:19:58 AM by SpellBlade

Well, I thought about fansites, but as it turns out, while there are plenty of fans, they most network very loosely on art communities and on image boards, and there is no single fansite. When there suddenly became an active TvTropes page, fans rushed from the Bara Boards (whose Morenatsu threads have ballooned to thousands of comments) to here, and have actually been making fairly useful edits here. As strange as it sounds, TvTropes is one of the few single organized semi-permanent places for documenting this kind of thing (the story, the characters, the tropes, the notable art publications) in a meaningful way. And since there's adult-oriented material involved, a lot of people wouldn't get permission to host a substantial fansite anyway because most free or inexpensive hosts forbid adult content — the exceptions are places such as image boards, FurAffinity and TvTropes (the latter in terms of useful textual documentation), which have naturally been where these fans have been gathering.

But anyway, though there is some definite fansite-like activity going on here, I personally am fully aware of what a TvTropes page is and what it isn't. I'm going with the kinds of things that are permitted here. Though an Image Links page isn't necessarily intentionally an index of art, I could recognize that the Morenatsu art scene thrives off Memetic Mutation, which TvTropes is particularly suited to documenting (at least on appropriate subpages). I once even suggested on the image boards that it doesn't actually matter if Morenatsu is ever finally fully released — it has created a huge body of artwork by many different people, and can be thought of as an art meme at least as much as (if not more than) it is a Visual Novel.

edited 13th Feb '11 12:36:17 AM by Gilgameshkun

Wow that is one extensive, well-maintained Image Links page. Usually I see/work on image links pages related to a trope, not a work, since when a work is concerned, everything from the work is an example. Is there any set of rules for this?

I don't know...I was following the general format. I did a minor Archive Binge into the Morenatsu homepage as well as Morenatsu art published on FurAffinity and Pixiv. I still didn't even include the newer Memetic Mutation published on the Bara Boards, but only because the Bara Boards are not to be treated as a long-term image host.

Also, I have a habit of hyper-grooming pages I edit heavily. See also Characters/Morenatsu and Characters/StarFox, where I nitpicked over the order, the layout, the formatting, the example images... Recently I even found all-high-quality images for Characters/StarTrekTheNextGeneration even though I'm not really a Trekkie — it just seemed wrong somehow for the page not to have images. I'm actually somewhat clinically obsessive compulsive, and sometimes I can't stop until things seem more perfect than they were before.

edited 13th Feb '11 4:49:56 AM by Gilgameshkun

Not AFAIK. It`s no big problem really (Though I question putting an Image links with fan art. It's not an example of the work...) So long as the porn is not on the page.

Still, if your goal would be to centralize the fandom and make a rally point, creating a fan community website somewhere would be a better move, as you could then host the nsfw fan art which on a porn game I suspect to be significant in amount (Livejournal allows that kind of stuff for one).

Well, while I admit that is some fansite-like activity happening, my point wasn't necessarily to create a fansite, but an appropriate resource in the context of TvTropes. I didn't even start the Morenatsu article — I just wanted to help out, but I get heavily involved in article drafting sometimes.

edited 13th Feb '11 7:25:47 AM by Gilgameshkun

I don't like the idea of posting fanart in the Image Links page for a work. The images should be official art or from the work itself.

Well, here's the thing. The Morenatsu Project declared that all the characters themselves are in the public domain, so they are Public Domain Characters, and the Team actively encourages Fan Art and they enjoy its broad dissemination. In the spirit of that, fanart is alongside Gamma's art.

...There, I left some notes on the Morenatsu Image Links page. Gamma is Word of God for the Visual Novel, but he is only Word of Dante for the character references since there is no Word of God for them by the Project's own declaration.

edited 13th Feb '11 4:40:08 PM by Gilgameshkun