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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
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I followed that Ego meme to a reddit thread to an interview between Dan Slott and John Byrne and I'll say that the contrast is way in Slott's favor, even considering his rocky history with saying things on the internet.
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Slott's attitude is that if you say you like his stuff, no matter what your reasons for it, he'll be friendly and gracious and so on. If you don't like his stuff, no matter the reasons, he'll go to rude mockery and so on. For instance, if you dislike Superior Spider-Man because it made Otto too sympathetic, he'd say you are wrong and so on and point out that the story is about why Peter's great. On the other hand, if you say that you like Superior Spider-Man because you found Otto to by sympathetic and interesting, then Slott will say you are right and that he wanted Otto to be empathetic and so on. It's like there's no principle there. No attempt to call out fans about Misaimed Fandom and so on. You either like his stuff or don't.
Byrne on the other hand, even if you say you like his stuff, if you don't like it for his reasons and so on. He'll still get prissy with you. I don't know which is worse. Slott is friendly but Byrne at least has an ethos.
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Byrne has advocated ideologies that hurt people in real life (specifically, he's anti-homosexuality but pro-pedophilia); that alone puts him leagues beyond Slott in the Jerkass department. If he was a writer who started recently rather than an "old master," he'd be run out of the industry on a rail.
Edited by HamburgerTime on Aug 24th 2019 at 6:12:31 AM
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We were only discussing the issue in terms of fan interactions. In real-life politics, Slott is progressive and liberal...although I do think his run on Spider-Man is fairly regressive in terms of class issues. But being regressive about class issues is not unusual or uncommon for American liberals.
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In this interview, Slott was polite to people who didn’t like his stuff
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Dan Slott had a habit of poking himself in every internet forum when he wrote Spider-Man, and he just had to go to John Byrne's forum (moderated by himself and open mostly to people who agree with him. Slott got banned after that discussion) because someone complained of his run.
Byrne has talked smack of many writers and artists, better ones than Slott, but most ignore it because you know it's Byrne, he's a crank.
Byrne is obviously in the wrong in that discussion. Fuck it, he's arguing against change, which is just a massively stupid position to take.
Byrne is so, so wrong. It’s one thing to argue against change for the sake of change. It’s another to be so anti-change that you view aging or character development as bad, as Byrne did with Spider-Man and Vision.
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I also have to say I have more sympathy for Slott than I do for other notoriously combative writers (like Remender and Spencer), because in Slott's case the fans were needling him first.
Even by those standards I'll say teasing MJ being raped crossed the line, though.
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My overall point is that Slott is fairly polite in the whole conversation which may or may not just be what happens when someone is put into contrast with John Byrne
You just seem more polite by default.
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Dan Slott seems like a cool guy to talk to. And at least he has a sense of professionalism, i don't recall him talking smack about other writers, he's even friends with Nick Spencer, who jettisoned most of his run, you'd think Slott would be more bitter but nope, he's cool with it.
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If I didn’t have such fond memories of his FF run, I’d have an entirely negative opinion of John Byrne by this point.
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The point people miss is that Slott went into Byrne's forums. Byrne is a crank but at least he's fenced in his own corner of the internet and people who go there know what they can expect since he mods it himself and it has a reputation of being a den of bitter old cranks whining about crap (Glenn Greenberg of Life of Reilly fame is a member and regular contributor there). Byrne has talked smack about practically everyone — Claremont, Shooter, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, you name it. They don't get online and retort at Byrne's forums like Slott does.
As for whether Byrne is right or wrong about change (obviously he's wrong). The fact is that he's not the only guy with such noxious opinions. Marv Wolfman believes that, as does Joe Quesada, and others. And not everyone with such opinions are so unfriendly. And in any case, the context is about Slott making Otto into Superior, and making Peter into a billionaire. I happen to think both of those are stupid choices and gimmicks on paper, and poorly executed on top of that.
Edited by alliterator on Aug 25th 2019 at 4:12:45 AM
I found some 2001-era comments about the Spider-Man wrestling scene. It's neat to find old internet stuff like this! (I found it in the middle of discovering that Spider-Man: Far From Home referenced both Crusher Hogan as in the comics and Bonesaw McGraw as in the Raimi trilogy.
Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 25th 2019 at 4:23:07 AM
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Jack? Did you have something to do with this:
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And they say that comics were never political — fuck it, comics were always political.
Holy hell...I had no idea he'd do it for legit.
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They probably should have followed up on Gwen's reaction to finding out Bullit was a criminal.
You know, it feels like they really wrote themselves into a corner with Captain Stacy's death. There was no way Peter could be with Gwen when he was constantly hiding his secret from her, but his guilt at being responsible for her dad's death emotionally crippled him from ever being honest.
I feel like we were robbed some good drama from her reaction, though considering that one story where she did freak out at the idea of him being Spiderman (well before her dad even died), maybe they already knew where things would go.
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Yeah, they kind of had a dead relationship on their hands but didn't want to break them up, then they killed her, but there was a story in there somewhere, even if they were past the point of salvaging it.
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Did Dr. Octopus react to Captain Stacy's death at all?
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Deadpool apparently made fun of the two men's hair according to this
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