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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
Team Rocket Boss.
Again, Dan Slott is a pretty complex figure in Spidey history, on one hand he's actually come the closest to getting us to accept POST OMD continuity and has trolled fans repeatedly, BUT on the other hand, he's as much of a Spider-Man as the rest of us and would happily write Peter and MJ if he could.
In Superior you can see the two sides of Dan Slott in force, like you got those creepy covers, but in the story itself, Doc Ock can never get MJ to like him no matter what he tries because she knows he isn't the same person. And then there's the " Crazy Town banana pants scene "
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
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Every time I read that I think about this. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Team Rocket Boss.
It was from community.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
I think some people got the reference but there's no guarantee that everybody would. I haven't seen community, but I'd also guess it isn't used a Bathos type moment that slott uses it for.
The "Mockingbird is an adulterous murderer" thing, to be fair, was clearly an accident. The real intent of the retcon was to reduce the uncomfortableness of an infamously-badly-done rape story. The writer just didn't notice she mistakenly made things more uncomfortable.
Surrounded by weirdoes
Do they ever think the implications of a story before writing?
Wake me up at your own risk.
Sounds like another Avengers #200 situation. Only slightly less bad.
The Avengers as a team have a bad history with female characters. The wasp got beaten by Hank Pym. Roger Stern then was ordered by an editor to make Monica Rambeau look incompetent so that captain America can be a leader again. Avengers 200 speaks for itself. But scarlet witch being responsible for no more mutants and the disassembly of the Avengers is another one.
I can't think of another Marvel title with such a bad history
Things like this are why I sometimes think superhero comics... should just not touch sexual violence. At all. Because it's near universally so badly and tastelessly done, that even attempts to make it less creepy make it more creepy!
Preach. I do think Bendis dealt with it well in Jessica Jones.
You know ironically on account of Spider-Man being such a sanitized part of Marvel, its a title where there's no rape, prostitution or even strip clubs. Like Peter's bachelor party in the Annual is him, flash and Harry hanging out at the coffee bean and drinking soda. So on the whole it's more respectful than others in terms of female characters. Except for Sins past that is.
Team Rocket Boss.
Aside from Marvels attempts at making Peter a swinger. which i feel really sends a bad message to kids reading.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 22nd 2019 at 8:12:50 AM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Funny but not helpful
Peter and MJ were not infrequently kinky in their marriage but consenting adults and whatnot
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He also slapped her when she was pregnant once.
Admittedly by complete accident, but still, Peter avoids the "terrible husband" stigma Hank and Reed have.
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
He was also in a fight with Ben after being lied to about being the clone, so he wasn't in a good state of mind at the time, and as said it was a complete accident.
As I understand, Hank's slap was also supposed to be an accident, but was drawn to be more deliberate (but still done while he was undergoing a mental breakdown and not something he'd do in normal circumstances).
I can't help but feel that if they'd stuck to the original intention with Hank, he'd get a bit more slack.
Then again, what gets held against what heroes and what doesn't is completely up in the air.
One Strip! One Strip!
There was a Spider-Man story that dealt (poorly) with rape: Kevin Smith's Evil That Men Do which retconned Felicia Hardy into a rape victim.
If I'm correct, the one time Reed ever slapped Sue was when she was taken over by her "Malice" persona and he was trying to get her to snap out of it. Aside from that, the one thing you can hold against him is that he's occasionally neglectful of his wife which can be said of a lot of superhero husbands including Peter.
Edited by windleopard on Feb 22nd 2019 at 10:05:20 AM
Eew, Kevin Smith.
Team Rocket Boss.
Yeah that comic was gross. And so un-Spider-Man.
Love is Love is Love
So Kevin Smith can't write Spider-Man or Batman. Hey, maybe Kevin Smith doesn't know as much about superheroes as he's always up his own ass about.
My various fanfics.
Smith has long come off as a deeply unpleasant person in general to me. He was also one of the founding fathers of the whole idea that there's a difference between a "real fan" and a "fake fan."
If you leave out the rape retcon, Evil That Men Do is a fairly entertaining story and does show a very heartwarming friendship between Felicia and Peter. In fact, one of the reasons the story was so criticized was because the rape retcon came completely out of left field and was inconsistent with the story's tone up until that point.
What was wrong with his Batman?
Edited by windleopard on Feb 22nd 2019 at 10:41:36 AM
Love is Love is Love
His "Cacophony" and "The Widening Gyre" were just terrible nonsense stories where, among many, many, MANY stupid things, he retconned it so that in the iconic moment from "Batman: Year One", arguably one of the greatest stories in the character's history,
This scene,
That when Batman shut the cloche, he pissed his pants.
My various fanfics.
Team Rocket Boss.
Kevin Smith is one of the worst Batman and Spider-Man writers in history.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
I thought Bruce was making that up to offer some support to Connor Hawke.
Funny but not helpful
If you're not okay with Batman peeing himself a little then what are you even doing here?
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Team Rocket Boss.
So that's why most superheroes wear underwear.
I came across this Dan Slott quote the other day which I added to a quotes page: