Wick cleanup: Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes

Hey, I have to ask, what are we going to do about the numerical types. Type II and Type III both cover two different tropes!

I was going on the idea that we don't need numbers now that we have individual tropes.

edited 12th May '12 7:59:05 AM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

There will be no numbers. If at all reasonably possible, we need to keep numbered scales off anything that isn't Just for Fun.

edited 12th May '12 1:42:20 AM by Ironeye

Yes, I agree with excising the numbers.

On the types of pragmatic hero, I'm a bit confused where characters like Angel or Giles fit, who are willing to not only kill villains, but murder innocent parties to further heroic goals. Basically, heroes who operate as if the ends justify the means. They don't exactly regard values as a weakness, nor do they reject traditional values. It's more they do what they think has to be done, but don't feel particularly heroic about it. They tend to envy traditionally idealistic heroes, who may have been able to find a third option, not look on them as naive simpletons. This actually seems to be one of the more common types, but doesn't sound like it fits in the description.

Any progress on splitting this?

Tlast two tropes are newly revised in YKTTW. If there are no objections, I'll start the launch clock on the first one shortly. The other Needs More Examples.

edited 19th Jun '12 4:51:19 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

I just want to point out that this page is currently at 396,000 characters (at 400,000 or more, things get problematic). It may be necessary to do a hard split regardless of what any previous crowners have decided, and I want to simply throw this information out there.

"Characters"? You mean letters, numbers, etc.?

Yes. I mean that there are over 396,000 symbols (letters, numbers, punctuation, etc.) in the source code, and things get problematic at 400,000 (the system completely breaks at 500,000).

I think we should just remove examples and point to the appropriate split tropes.

Sounds fine with me.

Well, I rather like having the actual page (I'm a fan of sliding scales, myself). However, I'm fine with a big note specifying to put all examples on the appropriate pages, and leaving this page just as a directory with a base description.

That's pretty much what I had in mind.

Pragmatic Hero has launched.

Unfettered Hero is now the only remaining Anti-Hero subtrope still in YKTTW to the best of my knowledge, and I will need help launching it.

edited 24th Jun '12 10:35:09 AM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

Still waiting on a YKTTW here.

This YKTTW needs more examples before it can be launched.

edited 7th Aug '12 11:10:37 AM by SeptimusHeap

Bump.

Bump.

Where did all the type 5 examples go?

Edit: Ooops. But why did they all go to Nominal Hero instead of staying here?

Also, Disney Anti-Hero needs to be a trope, since it's the only type without a corresponding trope.

edited 28th Oct '12 5:57:41 PM by Smasher

Anti-Hero is kind of an established term, we need to keep it somehow after the changes.

The page cannot have examples as they break the size limit. We're getting rid of the types as well, so all examples will be moved to the corresponding launched type. I had trouble finding which type corresponds to which though.

Also, this page had a looooooot of Zero Context Examples.

So are we going to keep the Anti-Hero page as a stub to link to the new type tropes then?

No, this crowner (unfortunately) affects only Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes and not Anti-Hero.

Nevermind, I had a brain fart and didn't realize we had two different tropes. So are we going to keep the scale page as a stub to list the tropes?

edited 29th Oct '12 10:08:17 AM by shoboni

The only reason I can think of doing that is for the sake of the inbounds. The tropes themselves can be listed perfectly well on Anti-Hero.