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This is the thread for discussion of The Order of the Stick plot, characters, etc. We have a separate thread for discussing game rules and mechanics. Excessive rules discussions here may be thumped as off-topic.

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edited 18th Sep '17 1:08:08 PM by Fighteer

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#49851: Mar 18th 2019 at 1:26:45 PM

[up][up]Yes, basically.

[up]Fish are a paraphyletic group. The term excludes tetrapods (amphibians, birds, reptiles [itself a paraphyletic group] and mammals) but includes cartilaginous fishes (sharks and relatives) even though bony fish are more closely related to the aforementioned tetrapods than they are to said cartilaginous fishes.

Edited by LSBK on Mar 18th 2019 at 3:29:21 AM

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#49852: Mar 18th 2019 at 1:31:58 PM

Gotcha. I thought "fish" were classified at the same level of ambiguity as "mammal".

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#49853: Mar 18th 2019 at 1:44:56 PM

Wait, that worm didn't even HAVE any eyes.

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#49854: Mar 18th 2019 at 1:58:25 PM

None that are visible, but you don't know if it might not have very small eye holes in the chitin.

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#49855: Mar 18th 2019 at 2:12:31 PM

Everyone's talking about the taxonomy of Blackwing and the physiology/intelligence level of the Nightcrawler and I'm just like, "The worm talks!?"

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#49856: Mar 18th 2019 at 2:15:28 PM

Today's lessons, using invisibility against a creature without eyes is an exercise in both redundance and futility. Also, make sure who you work with before you start eating people.

[up] I was also pretty surprised when the worm started talking.

Edited by Kaiseror on Mar 18th 2019 at 4:16:23 AM

Kayeka Since: Dec, 2009
#49857: Mar 18th 2019 at 2:18:43 PM

[up][up]Yup. Nightcrawlers can speak.

Gilphon Since: Oct, 2009
#49858: Mar 18th 2019 at 2:20:52 PM

Here's another sign of Gontar's incompetence at the superficial aspects of villainy- his dignity gets undermined by a minion trying to clarify his orders.

TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#49859: Mar 18th 2019 at 2:40:58 PM

I love the purple Death Worm already.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#49860: Mar 18th 2019 at 2:47:33 PM

That page is relying primarily on outward physical appearance and behaviors to form a hard distinction that doesn't actually exist, genetically. There's no one, single, unified group called "ravens".

Fish are a paraphyletic group. The term excludes tetrapods (amphibians, birds, reptiles [itself a paraphyletic group] and mammals) but includes cartilaginous fishes (sharks and relatives) even though bony fish are more closely related to the aforementioned tetrapods than they are to said cartilaginous fishes.

The deeper you go into species definitions, the more you realize that while taxonomists and geneticists are doing their best, there's still a long way to go to find accurate and distinct definitions for most species.

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Shinziril Since: Feb, 2011
#49861: Mar 18th 2019 at 3:50:23 PM

Note, nightcrawlers can't actually talk audibly, but they can telepathically communicate with creatures within 100 feet of them (which, somewhat hilariously, might result in Gontor being bothered with clarifying questions even if he moves into the council room).

The SRD description is unclear as to whether nightcrawlers have eyes, but they can definitely see - they have 60' darkvision (same as dwarves, or the default undead template). Might be negative-energy-based somehow, like how Xykon can talk audibly despite not having lungs or vocal cords.

Edited by Shinziril on Mar 18th 2019 at 5:50:57 AM

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#49862: Mar 18th 2019 at 4:38:03 PM

I just love how that "Deathworm" is just such a pro at this whole being summoned malarkey.

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  • If in doubt, smile with every tooth and be polite.

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#49863: Mar 18th 2019 at 6:31:08 PM

I find it interesting that V and Haley are the first in the room.

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#49864: Mar 18th 2019 at 6:53:47 PM

Not that strange to me. They're the ranged fighters. Roy probably sent them in to survey the situation and try to get a few hits on the vampires before they knew what hit them.

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#49865: Mar 18th 2019 at 7:19:45 PM

This does certainly answer the question many of had of "why aren't the heroes doing anything right now"?

I almost think this might be a good opportunity for them to try to dust Gontor now, before too much starts happening, although the nightcrawler might cause some problems with that.

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#49866: Mar 18th 2019 at 10:45:20 PM

I love how the death-worm acts like a nervous temp.

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#49867: Mar 19th 2019 at 4:58:54 AM

I feel like there's a Nightcrawler X-men joke yet to be made (similar to the previous Cyclops joke). Do Nightcrawlers have teleport?

Kayeka Since: Dec, 2009
#49868: Mar 19th 2019 at 6:38:23 AM

[up]No, but they do get Plane Shift three times per day.

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#49869: Mar 19th 2019 at 7:14:11 AM

So, I take the worm's words to, if anything, prove that he's not blind. People keep saying that he doesn't have eyes, but if he sensed through other means, he wouldn't call the team invisible, he'd just be saying "hey are those guys with you?"

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#49870: Mar 19th 2019 at 7:17:59 AM

I take it back. The worm is not stupid; rather, it is so intelligent that it is being extraordinarily careful to get clear instructions. This, ironically and hilariously, makes it a bit more hesitant to do its job than a dumber minion.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#49871: Mar 19th 2019 at 7:38:10 AM

Well, yeah. A very rudimentary minion just has to follow a simple command; a minion with sufficient intelligence has to listen, parse, possibly determine how loyal it is, determine letter Vs intent...

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#49872: Mar 19th 2019 at 7:45:03 AM

And, of course, an intelligent minion is aware of possible loopholes. If they don't know the full plan of their masters, they have to ask questions.

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#49873: Mar 19th 2019 at 11:01:41 AM

Hilariously enough, if they just stand on the bridge and fire, the giant death worm might not attack them since they aren't trying to get through the door.

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#49874: Mar 19th 2019 at 11:38:22 AM

Well, he might not attack them directly because he knows he has to protect the door, but he would have ways to retaliate. If I'm not mistaken, nightcrawlers can summon undead.

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#49875: Mar 19th 2019 at 11:58:23 AM

[up] That and its ranged spell-like abilities. Greater Dispel Magic and Unholy Blight at will, three each of Cone of Cold, Confusion, and Hold Monster, and one each of Mass Hold Monster and Finger of Death.


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