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* NeverLiveItDown: The image and premise of Abraham Lincoln interacting with the ''Enterprise'' crew is often held up as an example of Season 3's nonsensical plots and ridiculous premises even on this very Wiki. In the actual episode, Lincolns nature as an alien recreation is revealed well before the halfway point, and even before the reveal everyone is genuinely skeptical of his nature. Even Kirk, fanboy that he is, only gives Lincoln his due respect on the not-unreasonable grounds that, if it is an advanced life form convinced that it is Lincoln, it's best not to provoke it by suggesting otherwise.

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* NeverLiveItDown: The image and premise of Abraham Lincoln interacting with the ''Enterprise'' crew is often held up as an example of Season 3's nonsensical plots and ridiculous premises even on this very Wiki. In the actual episode, Lincolns Lincoln's nature as an alien recreation is revealed well before the halfway point, and even before the reveal everyone is genuinely skeptical of his nature. Even Kirk, fanboy that he is, only gives Lincoln his due respect on the not-unreasonable grounds that, if it is an advanced life form convinced that it is Lincoln, it's best not to provoke it by suggesting otherwise.
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Tense was confusing as Trek came first, so where’s the hindsight?


* HilariousInHindsight: A story about historical figures battling to the death? One wonders if the ''Franchise/FateSeries'' had some influence...

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* HilariousInHindsight: A story about historical figures battling to the death? One wonders if the ''Franchise/FateSeries'' had some influence...was influenced...



** "Help me! Spock!" Possibly deliberately. Spock knows no Vulcan, especially not Surak, would cry out like that.

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** "Help me! Spock!" Possibly deliberately. Spock knows no Vulcan, especially not Surak, would cry out like that.

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* {{Narm}}: "Help me! Spock!" Possibly deliberately. Spock knows no Vulcan, especially not Surak, would cry out like that.

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"Help me! Spock!" Possibly deliberately. Spock knows no Vulcan, especially not Surak, would cry out like that.
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* NeverLiveItDown: The image and premise of Abraham Lincoln interacting with the ''Enterprise'' crew is often held up as an example of Season 3's nonsensical plots and ridiculous premises even on this very Wiki. In the actual episode, Lincolns nature as an alien recreation is revealed well before the halfway point, and even before the reveal everyone is genuinely skeptical of his nature. Even Kirk, fanboy that he is, only gives Lincoln his due respect on the not- unreasonable grounds that, if it is an advanced life form convinced that it is Lincoln, it's best not to provoke it by suggesting otherwise.

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* NeverLiveItDown: The image and premise of Abraham Lincoln interacting with the ''Enterprise'' crew is often held up as an example of Season 3's nonsensical plots and ridiculous premises even on this very Wiki. In the actual episode, Lincolns nature as an alien recreation is revealed well before the halfway point, and even before the reveal everyone is genuinely skeptical of his nature. Even Kirk, fanboy that he is, only gives Lincoln his due respect on the not- unreasonable not-unreasonable grounds that, if it is an advanced life form convinced that it is Lincoln, it's best not to provoke it by suggesting otherwise.
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** When he's not imitating Lincoln’s or Surak's voice (badly), Kahless's only other line makes him sound like a typical bad guy henchman out of a western.

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** When he's not imitating Lincoln’s Lincoln's or Surak's voice (badly), Kahless's only other line makes him sound like a typical bad guy henchman out of a western.
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GREEN: Now can you cry like Lincoln? 
KAHLESS: (as Lincoln) Help me, Kirk. Help me, Kirk!


** When he's not imitating Surak's voice (badly), Kahless's only other line makes him sound like a typical bad guy henchman out of a western.

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** When he's not imitating Lincoln’s or Surak's voice (badly), Kahless's only other line makes him sound like a typical bad guy henchman out of a western.
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* NeverLiveItDown: The image and premise of Abraham Lincoln interacting with the ''Enterprise'' crew is often held up as an example of Season 3's nonsensical plots and ridiculous premises even on ThisVeryWiki. In the actual episode, Lincolns nature as an alien recreation is revealed well before the halfway point, and even before the reveal everyone is genuinely skeptical of his nature. Even Kirk, fanboy that he is, only gives Lincoln his due respect on the not- inrrasonable grounds that, if it is an advanced life form convinced thst it is Lincoln, it's best not to provoke it by suggesting otherwise.

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* NeverLiveItDown: The image and premise of Abraham Lincoln interacting with the ''Enterprise'' crew is often held up as an example of Season 3's nonsensical plots and ridiculous premises even on ThisVeryWiki.this very Wiki. In the actual episode, Lincolns nature as an alien recreation is revealed well before the halfway point, and even before the reveal everyone is genuinely skeptical of his nature. Even Kirk, fanboy that he is, only gives Lincoln his due respect on the not- inrrasonable unreasonable grounds that, if it is an advanced life form convinced thst that it is Lincoln, it's best not to provoke it by suggesting otherwise.
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* NeverLiveItDown: The image and premise of Abraham Lincoln interacting with the ''Enterprise'' crew is often held up as an example of Season 3's nonsensical plots and ridiculous premises even on ThisVeryWiki. In the actual episode, Lincolns nature as an alien recreation is revealed well before the halfway point, and even before the reveal everyone is genuinely skeptical of his nature. Even Kirk, fanboy that he is, only gives Lincoln his due respect on the not- inrrasonable grounds that, if it is an advanced life form convinced thst it is Lincoln, it's best not to provoke it by suggesting otherwise.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''Star Trek'' canon establishes here that Earth experienced a resurgence in authoritarianism and global unrest in the early 21st Century. Preposterous, right? Erm...

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: HarsherInHindsight: ''Star Trek'' canon establishes here that Earth experienced a resurgence in authoritarianism and global unrest in the early 21st Century. Preposterous, right? Erm...
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--> '''Kahless(referring to Surak):'''"It's one of them peace lovers, Colonel"

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--> '''Kahless(referring '''Kahless (referring to Surak):'''"It's Surak):''' "It's one of them peace lovers, Colonel" Colonel."

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''Star Trek'' canon establishes here that Earth experienced a resurgence in authoritarianism and global unrest in the early 21st Century. Preposterous, right? Erm...



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''Star Trek'' canon establishes here that Earth experienced a resurgence in authoritarianism and global unrest in the early 21st Century. Preposterous, right? Erm...
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* ValuesResonance: Surak, whom has never seen humans before, greets Captain Kirk saying "I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us." A truly timeless message that remains important into TheNewTwenties.

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* ValuesResonance: Surak, whom who has never seen humans before, greets Captain Kirk saying "I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us." A truly timeless message that remains important into TheNewTwenties.
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* ValuesResonance: Surak greets Captain Kirk saying "In my time, we knew not of earth men. I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us." A truly timeless message that remains important into TheNewTwenties.

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* ValuesResonance: Surak Surak, whom has never seen humans before, greets Captain Kirk saying "In my time, we knew not of earth men. I "I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us." A truly timeless message that remains important into TheNewTwenties.
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* ValuesResonance: Surak greets Captain Kirk saying "In my time, we knew not of earth men. I am pleased to see that we have differences. May we together become greater than the sum of both of us." A truly timeless message that remains important into TheNewTwenties.
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* HilariousInHindsight: A story about historical figures battling to the death? One wonders if the ''Franchise/FateSeries'' had some influence...
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--> '''Kahless(referring to Surak)''':"One of them peace lovers, Colonel"

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--> '''Kahless(referring to Surak)''':"One Surak):'''"It's one of them peace lovers, Colonel"Colonel"
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** When he's not imitating Surak's voice (badly), Kahless's only other line makes him sound like a typical bad guy henchman out of a western.
--> '''Kahless(referring to Surak)''':"One of them peace lovers, Colonel"
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''Star Trek'' canon establishes here that Earth experienced a resurgence in authoritarianism and global unrest in the early 21st Century. Preposterous, right? Erm...
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show, which ended up becoming a reality when the character had a cameo in a video recording from the mid-21st century watched by the isolationist industrialist John Frederick Paxton in the episode [[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS04E20Demons Demons]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show, which ended up becoming a reality when the character had a cameo in a video recording from the mid-21st century watched by the isolationist industrialist John Frederick Paxton in the episode [[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS04E20Demons [[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS04E19Demons Demons]].
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show.show, which ended up becoming a reality when the character had a cameo in a video recording from the mid-21st century watched by the isolationist industrialist John Frederick Paxton in the episode [[Recap/StarTrekEnterpriseS04E20Demons Demons]].
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* ValuesDissonance: UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura, not offended in the least, tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura, not offended in the least, tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]
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* BizarroEpisode: You know it's gonna be a weird one if it starts with UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln floating around in space. Don't you just ''love'' [[SeasonalRot Season 3]]?
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. ''Series/StarTrekEnterpris'e writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. ''Series/StarTrekEnterpris'e ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. Enterprise writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. Enterprise ''Series/StarTrekEnterpris'e writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show.



* ValuesDissonance: Lincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura, not offended in the least, tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: Lincoln UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura, not offended in the least, tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: Lincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: Lincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura Uhura, not offended in the least, tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Col. Green, despite this being his only appearance in the original series. Green was such a fun character, even his actor loved the part. Enterprise writer Manny Coto was another fan, and had hoped to feature the bad guy in the show.



* ValuesDissonance: Lincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: Lincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]]]
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* {{Narm}}: "Help me! Spock!" Possibly deliberately. Spock knows no Vulcan, especially not Surak, would cry out like that.
* ValuesDissonance: Lincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming Negress". He seems to realize right away that his words, [[FairForItsDay well meant as they were]] are inappropriate and apologizes. Uhura tells him that in the future, people have learned not to fear words. [[HeartwarmingMoments And they shake hands.]]

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