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* InternetBackdraft: When the game went from "pay to play" to "free to play", none of the existing players were exactly happy about it, but the change for them was sufficiently minor and didn't cause any 'massive' disapproval. Unfortunately S2 games had also added a new feature called "Early Access", which made new heroes available for pre-purchase a month before the rest of the old "Legacy" players would be able to play them for free. This caused the forums to immediately go up in flames, spawning numerous threads and a custom tooled signature, that was copied from poster to poster, that quoted S2's promise of only ever allowing players to purchase "cosmetic" features for money, alongside the quote that said heroes will now be available for pre-purchase. Cries of "pay to win" resounded far and wide. A week went by without any official responses to the complaints, only moderators deleting signatures and moving threads to "non-constructive complaints", including a thread calling for a boycott that reached almost 2000 posts in a couple of days, and people who didn't care saying "stop whining". A week later S2's CEO, Maliken, said that they were waiting for people to chill and that they don't intend to remove Early Access, ever. That left quite a few people unhappy.


* GameBreaker: Due to the constant patches and many new heroes being added, occasionally a hero will be ludicrously overpowered for a patch period.
** An extreme case was Gemini, who had a GameBreakingBug upon release which gave him infinite stats, meaning he was quite literally unkillable and could one-shot every enemy hero and building. This was fixed a few hours later but still.
* DuelingGames: With ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''[=HoN=]''[='=]s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''. These days, it seemed to have been beaten by not only ''Dota 2'', but also ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}'' and ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm''. However, [=HoN=] isn't completely out of commission yet unlike other [=MOBAs=], lurking as a CultClassic. Time will tell if it will reclaim its old glory as LOL/Dota's greatest rival game.
* EntitledBastard: A NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre. If you never run into these types of player on this game; then you should buy a lottery ticket and head to the nearest Casino because you are the [[BornLucky luckiest person in the world.]]

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* GameBreaker: Due to the constant patches and many new heroes being added, occasionally a hero will be ludicrously overpowered for a patch period.
**
period. An extreme case was Gemini, who had a GameBreakingBug upon release which gave him infinite stats, meaning he was quite literally unkillable and could one-shot every enemy hero and building. This was fixed a few hours later but still.
* DuelingGames: With ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''[=HoN=]''[='=]s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''. These days, it seemed to have been beaten by not only ''Dota 2'', but also ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}'' and ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm''. However, [=HoN=] isn't completely out of commission yet unlike other [=MOBAs=], lurking as a CultClassic. Time will tell if it will reclaim its old glory as LOL/Dota's greatest rival game.
* EntitledBastard: A NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre. If you never run into these types of player on this game; then you should buy a lottery ticket and head to the nearest Casino because you are the [[BornLucky luckiest person in the world.]]
still.



* InternetBackdraft: When the game went from "pay to play" to "free to play", none of the existing players were exactly happy about it, but the change for them was sufficiently minor and didn't cause any 'massive' disapproval. Unfortunately S2 games had also added a new feature called "Early Access", which made new heroes available for pre-purchase a month before the rest of the old "Legacy" players would be able to play them for free. This caused the forums to immediately go up in flames, spawning numerous threads and a custom tooled signature, that was copied from poster to poster, that quoted S2's promise of only ever allowing players to purchase "cosmetic" features for money, alongside the quote that said heroes will now be available for pre-purchase. Cries of "pay to win" resounded far and wide.
** A week went by without any official responses to the complaints, only moderators deleting signatures and moving threads to "non-constructive complaints", including a thread calling for a boycott that reached almost 2000 posts in a couple of days, and people who didn't care saying "stop whining". A week later S2's CEO, Maliken, said that they were waiting for people to chill and that they don't intend to remove Early Access, ever. That left quite a few people unhappy.

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* InternetBackdraft: When the game went from "pay to play" to "free to play", none of the existing players were exactly happy about it, but the change for them was sufficiently minor and didn't cause any 'massive' disapproval. Unfortunately S2 games had also added a new feature called "Early Access", which made new heroes available for pre-purchase a month before the rest of the old "Legacy" players would be able to play them for free. This caused the forums to immediately go up in flames, spawning numerous threads and a custom tooled signature, that was copied from poster to poster, that quoted S2's promise of only ever allowing players to purchase "cosmetic" features for money, alongside the quote that said heroes will now be available for pre-purchase. Cries of "pay to win" resounded far and wide.
**
wide. A week went by without any official responses to the complaints, only moderators deleting signatures and moving threads to "non-constructive complaints", including a thread calling for a boycott that reached almost 2000 posts in a couple of days, and people who didn't care saying "stop whining". A week later S2's CEO, Maliken, said that they were waiting for people to chill and that they don't intend to remove Early Access, ever. That left quite a few people unhappy.



* MemeticMutation: "TOO BAD ITS ME BLACKSMITH", "It's party time!", "3 seconds", "WHOOP!" "I pull them fukers in"
* OlderThanTheyThink: [=HoN=] isn't the first game to feature the Newerth verse. Beforehand, [=S2=] also made games that took place in Newerth, starring Jeraziah.
* {{Scrub}}: Too many, or too few, depending on who you ask.
** Just because a game has the green 'Noobs Only' icon next to its name does not mean you won't get called a noob/idiot/feeder and possibly booted the instant you do anything wrong.
*** The colored noob/normal/pro markers have been removed in favor of a min/max allowed rating setting when creating a public game.

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
**
"TOO BAD ITS ME BLACKSMITH", "It's party time!", "3 seconds", "WHOOP!" "I pull them fukers in"
* OlderThanTheyThink: OlderThanTheyThink:
**
[=HoN=] isn't the first game to feature the Newerth verse. Beforehand, [=S2=] also made games that took place in Newerth, starring Jeraziah.
* {{Scrub}}: {{Scrub}}:
**
Too many, or too few, depending on who you ask.
**
ask. Just because a game has had the green 'Noobs Only' icon next to its name does not mean you won't get called a noob/idiot/feeder and possibly booted the instant you do anything wrong.
*** The
wrong. This might be why the colored noob/normal/pro markers have been removed in favor of a min/max allowed rating setting when creating a public game.



* StopHavingFunGuys: Unless playing with friends, it's almost impossible to not pick up a {{Scrub}} who will complain about this even on noob/practice games.
** As can be seen by the section just above this, YMMV as to whether or not this is actually true.
*** Not really. Ask ''anyone'' who plays this and they will agree with this game's dubious honor of having one of the absolute rudest and most hateful communities of any game out there. Try playing just to have fun. I dare you. Have fun getting instakicked, called a nigger and a faggot, and being reported for bullshit reasons simply because your teammates are a bunch of spiteful, immature assholes.
*** Not ''only'' that, but in an official review for Heroes of Newerth, the reviewer docked a point for how mean spirited the community is, if you lose a point for your game SOLELY because of the community, you know something's wrong.
*** To be fair; ''VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth'' is a multiplayer-only game and a lot of the game's fun is dependent on the players. It's not very fun to play by yourself, and if the only people to play with are ''incredibly'' mean-spirited, rude, entitled, and jerkassish, and you're getting kicked from a noob game for being a noob, it's safe to say you won't be having much fun. It's probably best to say that {{Scrub}}s, StopHavingFunGuys, and EntitledBastard are NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre.
*** The more extensive the stat-tracking, the higher the elitism. [=HoN=]'s stat tracking is pretty extensive so... yeah.
* SuffersNewbiesPoorly: As described by Tim Buckley, who had never played a MOBA game before and tried to get into this game in particular:
--> "I got in there, and started trying to decipher everyone's slang and abbreviations, learn the UI, figure out what my abilities did, etc. Needless to say, I wasn't pro. Within ten minutes my teammates were hurling every racial and sexual slur imaginable my way because I wasn't holding my own in my lane. As you can imagine, I was incredibly motivated to spend my time learning how to play so that I might get to hang out with people like that on a regular basis."
** Jumping directly into public matchmaking games is a very bad idea for newbies. As a completely new MOBA player, your rating will be at least a couple of hundred points higher than your actual skill and experience can sustain, and you're going to have to lose a fair few matches before your rating drops enough to get matched with newer and/or crappier players who you can actually compete with. Expect to be wished a thousand gruesome deaths by irate middle-rankers in the meantime. Actually telling your teammates how inexperienced you are is as likely to elicit further abuse as helpful advice. Those without unusually thick skins are advised to bring friends and/or find a clan that caters for newbies with private training and/or just-for-fun games.

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* StopHavingFunGuys: Unless playing with friends, it's almost impossible to not pick up a {{Scrub}} who will complain about this even on noob/practice games.
** As can be seen by the section just above this, YMMV as to whether or not this is actually true.
*** Not really. Ask ''anyone'' who plays this and they will agree with this game's dubious honor of having one of the absolute rudest and most hateful communities of any game out there. Try playing just to have fun. I dare you. Have fun getting instakicked, called a nigger and a faggot, and being reported for bullshit reasons simply because your teammates are a bunch of spiteful, immature assholes.
*** Not ''only'' that, but in an official review for Heroes of Newerth, the reviewer docked a point for how mean spirited the community is, if you lose a point for your game SOLELY because of the community, you know something's wrong.
*** To be fair; ''VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth'' is a multiplayer-only game and a lot of the game's fun is dependent on the players. It's not very fun to play by yourself, and if the only people to play with are ''incredibly'' mean-spirited, rude, entitled, and jerkassish, and you're getting kicked from a noob game for being a noob, it's safe to say you won't be having much fun. It's probably best to say that {{Scrub}}s, StopHavingFunGuys, and EntitledBastard are NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre.
***
games. The more extensive the stat-tracking, the higher the elitism. [=HoN=]'s stat tracking is pretty extensive so... yeah.
* SuffersNewbiesPoorly: As described by Tim Buckley, who had never played a MOBA game before and tried to get into this game in particular:
--> "I got in there, and started trying to decipher everyone's slang and abbreviations, learn the UI, figure out what my abilities did, etc. Needless to say, I wasn't pro. Within ten minutes my teammates were hurling every racial and sexual slur imaginable my way because I wasn't holding my own in my lane. As you can imagine, I was incredibly motivated to spend my time learning how to play so that I might get to hang out with people like that on a regular basis."
** Jumping directly into public matchmaking games is a very bad idea for newbies. As a completely new MOBA player, your rating will be at least a couple of hundred points higher than your actual skill and experience can sustain, and you're going to have to lose a fair few matches before your rating drops enough to get matched with newer and/or crappier players who you can actually compete with. Expect to be wished a thousand gruesome deaths by irate middle-rankers in the meantime. Actually telling your teammates how inexperienced you are is as likely to elicit further abuse as helpful advice. Those without unusually thick skins are advised to bring friends and/or find a clan that caters for newbies with private training and/or just-for-fun games.
yeah.


* DuelingGames: With ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''[=HoN=]''[='=]s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''.

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* DuelingGames: With ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''[=HoN=]''[='=]s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''. These days, it seemed to have been beaten by not only ''Dota 2'', but also ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}'' and ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm''. However, [=HoN=] isn't completely out of commission yet unlike other [=MOBAs=], lurking as a CultClassic. Time will tell if it will reclaim its old glory as LOL/Dota's greatest rival game.


* DuelingGames: With ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''HoN'''s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''.

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* DuelingGames: With ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''HoN'''s ''[=HoN=]''[='=]s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''.



* OlderThanYouThink: [=HoN=] isn't the first game to feature the Newerth verse. Beforehand, [=S2=] also made games that took place in Newerth, starring Jeraziah.

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* OlderThanYouThink: OlderThanTheyThink: [=HoN=] isn't the first game to feature the Newerth verse. Beforehand, [=S2=] also made games that took place in Newerth, starring Jeraziah.


* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [=HoN=] has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else, in which [[OvershadowedByAwesome it is usually considered a 'dead game' when compared to]] ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}''.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [=HoN=] has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else, in which [[OvershadowedByAwesome it is usually considered a 'dead game' when compared to]] ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}''. SE Asia still considered Dota 2 a possibly greater game, but they still have fond memories with [=HoN=] before Dota 2 took prominence.


* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [=HoN=] has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else, in which [[OvershadowedWithAwesome it is usually considered a 'dead game' when compared to]] ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}''.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [=HoN=] has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else, in which [[OvershadowedWithAwesome [[OvershadowedByAwesome it is usually considered a 'dead game' when compared to]] ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}''.


* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [=HoN=] has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: [=HoN=] has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else.else, in which [[OvershadowedWithAwesome it is usually considered a 'dead game' when compared to]] ''VideoGame/{{Dota 2}}''.


* DuelingGames: With LeagueOfLegends to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''HoN'''s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''.

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* DuelingGames: With LeagueOfLegends ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''HoN'''s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''.


* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Inverted; the second Valve started handing out beta invites like candy? People started praising ''HeroesOfNewerth''.

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Inverted; the second Valve started handing out beta invites like candy? People started praising ''HeroesOfNewerth''.''VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth''.



**** To be fair; HeroesOfNewerth is a multiplayer-only game and a lot of the game's fun is dependent on the players. It's not very fun to play by yourself, and if the only people to play with are ''incredibly'' mean-spirited, rude, entitled, and jerkassish, and you're getting kicked from a noob game for being a noob, it's safe to say you won't be having much fun. It's probably best to say that {{Scrub}}s, StopHavingFunGuys, and EntitledBastard are NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre.

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**** To be fair; HeroesOfNewerth ''VideoGame/HeroesOfNewerth'' is a multiplayer-only game and a lot of the game's fun is dependent on the players. It's not very fun to play by yourself, and if the only people to play with are ''incredibly'' mean-spirited, rude, entitled, and jerkassish, and you're getting kicked from a noob game for being a noob, it's safe to say you won't be having much fun. It's probably best to say that {{Scrub}}s, StopHavingFunGuys, and EntitledBastard are NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre.


* [[ItsPopularNowItSucks]]: Inverted; the second Valve started handing out beta invites like candy? People started praising ''HeroesOfNewerth''.

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* [[ItsPopularNowItSucks]]: ItsPopularNowItSucks: Inverted; the second Valve started handing out beta invites like candy? People started praising ''HeroesOfNewerth''.


* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: HoN has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: HoN [=HoN=] has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else.

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* OlderThanYouThink: [=HoN=] isn't the first game to feature the Newerth verse. Beforehand, [=S2=] also made games that took place in Newerth, starring Jeraziah.


* TheScrappy: Scout. Oh boy, Scout has a pretty lengthy history of being the game's Scrappy. Scout was one of the oldest heroes in the game, but he's been constantly derided due to his explicable tendency to attract noobs/trolls/tryhards. Heck, try finding a spotlight video where a Scout ''doesn't'' die. Scout has also not been picked in competitive games despite receiving mostly buffs. Around version 3.2, pros eventually realized how powerful Scout is, especially in a metagame where running a stealth hero in the suicide lane was popular. Unfortunately, this caused Scout to become a TierInducedScrappy instead. Poor Scout can never catch a break.

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* TheScrappy: Scout.Scout, kill stealer extraordinaire, runner of fights. Oh boy, Scout has a pretty lengthy history of being the game's Scrappy. Scout was one of the oldest heroes in the game, but he's been constantly derided due to his explicable tendency to attract noobs/trolls/tryhards. Heck, try finding a spotlight video where a Scout ''doesn't'' die. Scout has also not been picked in competitive games despite receiving mostly buffs. Around version 3.2, pros eventually realized how powerful Scout is, especially in a metagame where running a stealth hero in the suicide lane was popular. Unfortunately, this caused Scout to become a TierInducedScrappy instead. Poor Scout can never catch a break.


* EntitledBastard: A NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre. If you never run into these types of player on this game; then you should buy a lottery ticket and head to the nearest Casino because you are the [[BornLucky luckiest person in the world.]]

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* DuelingGames: With LeagueOfLegends to some extent, but much more so with {{VideoGame/Dota2}}. ''HoN'' did less to differentiate itself from the original ''Dota'' than ''League'' did, so with ''Dota 2'' being similar, with improvements on the multiplayer experience that was one of ''HoN'''s biggest selling points, players have been migrating en masse to ''Dota 2''. This has happened even with some of the pro teams, most notably Fnatic making the jump to ''Dota 2''.
* EntitledBastard: A NecessaryWeasel for the MOBA genre. If you never run into these types of player on this game; then you should buy a lottery ticket and head to the nearest Casino because you are the [[BornLucky luckiest person in the world.]] ]]
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: HoN has a much larger player base in Southeast Asia than anywhere else.



* [[ItsPopularNowItSucks It's unpopular - therefore it rules]]: The second Valve started handing out beta invites like candy? People started praising ''HeroesOfNewerth''.

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* [[ItsPopularNowItSucks It's unpopular - therefore it rules]]: The [[ItsPopularNowItSucks]]: Inverted; the second Valve started handing out beta invites like candy? People started praising ''HeroesOfNewerth''. ''HeroesOfNewerth''.



* TheScrappy: Scout, kill stealer extraordinaire, runner of fights.

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* TheScrappy: Scout, kill stealer extraordinaire, runner Scout. Oh boy, Scout has a pretty lengthy history of fights.being the game's Scrappy. Scout was one of the oldest heroes in the game, but he's been constantly derided due to his explicable tendency to attract noobs/trolls/tryhards. Heck, try finding a spotlight video where a Scout ''doesn't'' die. Scout has also not been picked in competitive games despite receiving mostly buffs. Around version 3.2, pros eventually realized how powerful Scout is, especially in a metagame where running a stealth hero in the suicide lane was popular. Unfortunately, this caused Scout to become a TierInducedScrappy instead. Poor Scout can never catch a break.


*** The more extensive the stat-tracking, the higher the elitism. HoN's stat tracking is pretty extensive so... yeah.

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*** The more extensive the stat-tracking, the higher the elitism. HoN's [=HoN=]'s stat tracking is pretty extensive so... yeah.

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