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*** Having sex with a [[HeroesWantRedheads redheaded]] rogue with abnormally high dexterity on a regular basis? Or for the ladies, the same only with an easily malleable bard with maxed-out charisma? Truly a fate worse than death.

->Belkar: OK, elf, enough with the jokes. You got me, fair enough, now bring the ship back.
->Belkar: ...
->Belkar: No, seriously, wherever you're hiding: You really had me thinking for a minute there that we got left behind. Great illusion. Now, can we get out of this stupid city already?
->Belkar: ...
->Belkar: Vaarsuvius?

* Except that...well...wouldn't that be awfully ''lame''? I mean, even the {{Subversion}} page itself says that subversions arenn't necessarily clever or interesting ''per se''.

TheRealMan : Roy and Haley would both fit.

TheLoonie : Belkar, with his homicidal tendencies.

TheRoleplayer : Both Durkon and Elan, Durkon as the Thespian and Elan as the Anti-Munchkin.

{{Munchkin}} : Vaarsuvius.

* Alternatively, their willingness to stay spliced for the good of the world, and thus limiting themselves (Belkar being unable to fight physically, Vaarsuvius refraining from really bombastic magic and focusing to keep Belkar from cutting loose or being stolen back to the IFCC, knowing what it's costing his soul), they find redemption ala ''WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven''.

[[WMG:Kyrie, Vaarsuvius, or both (?) are transgender or otherwise gender queer/in-universe equivalent.]]
Just to add another layer to the gender uncertainty. If it's not universal for elves, that could explain why we have seen some with established gender identities, and in V's case it could also account for the general "don't ask me" sort of thing re: sex/gender.
Or, y'know, I could be talking out of my hat...

[[WMG: Belkar will be killed by Kilkil.]]
He's slated to die soon, and it would be wonderfully ironic to a.) be killed by the Linear Guild's kobold who b.) looks so obviously nonthreatening.

[[WMG: Instead of fighting his father, Elan will get V to kill him.]]
Because there is nothing worse he can do to General Tarquin than make sure the latter goes down in history as a random EvilChancellor who gets disintegrated on the heroes' way to liberate the empire from the evil dragon ruling them.

[[WMG: Elan will use the spell Glibness.]]
The demonstration that Haley did early with the potion of Glibness was ForeShadowing for Elan learning the Glibness spell upon leveling up. He may or may not spend a few more skill points on his bluff until then.

[[WMG: Belkar will die protecting Vaarsuvius, and Vaarsuvius will take his spirit on as a Soul-Splice.]]

Belkar and V obviously care about each other in some capacity or another; when Belkar is killed trying to save/protect V, he'll end up in one of the lower planes in the service of the IFCC... and immediately request to be spliced back to V (because, being a Ranger, he really does have spell levels, it's just that his Wisdom score is in the crapper). The IFCC will do it because Belkar is as likely to drive V mad with murderous rage as anyone else, and the guilt of having Belkar around will make V more vulnerable in the future. But Belkar, whether because he actually has found himself some character development or other motive to do good in the world, just drops what he knows about the IFCC on Vaarsuvius and stays spliced to him to be able to help; although this won't save V's soul at all, at least when he finally passes on, he and Belkar won't be alone in serving the interests of evil.
* Alternatively, their willingness to stay spliced for the good of the world, and thus limiting themselves (Belkar being unable to fight physically, Vaarsuvius refraining from really bombastic magic and focusing to keep Belkar from cutting loose or being stolen back to the IFCC, knowing what it's costing his soul), they find redemption ala ''WesternAnimation/AllDogsGoToHeaven''.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius will end up with a long IOU list for hir soul.]]
* Seriously, V is either sextuple or nonatuple-times damned already from selling souls on a time basis and at least 3 major times damned from all the mass murder and stuff. Considering as Vaarsuvius is clearly not going to be redeeming through all that before the adventure ends, it's a good chance V is going to be damned so thouroughly that half the lower planes will be on a wait list for hir soul by the time xe finally dies should xe just give up and start spamsummoning demons all over the place in an attempt to kill Xykon should xe sell hir soul again. And this is without selling hir familiar's soul as well. Gah, gender-neutral pronouns generated via internet!

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius will be redeemed eventually.]]
* Soon tells Miko that redemption is a very special thing that requires more than just the fulfillment of duty, and not every person has what it takes. Vaarsuvius ''does''. S/he's wallowing in guilt now, but that's part of what it takes to earn redemption, something that Miko (and Belkar, incidentally), could never do: ''understanding s/he was wrong''. Remember that when Roy's soul was audited, the angel(?) told him that she would call him Neutral good and just be done with him, except that he keeps trying. V's already prepared to accept the consequences of hir actions (in particular, not contesting hir divorce), but if s/he can get away from hir guilt and get back on the adventure to save the world, s/he'll find redemption, one way or another.

[[WMG: Belkar is really good in bed]]
[[BiggerisBetterInBed You know what they say with men big feet]]. Belkar has been able to successfully seduce several women of the course of the comic, even though he is the single most vile person on the planet, and must have a charisma score in the negatives. The only conclusion, he rolls nothing but 20s in bed.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius' gender will be revealed...]]
...via a GroinAttack.
* Ehh, being kicked in the groin hurts for males and females, enough to leave some ambiguity at least.

* We may conclude from this that someone is going to be Main/KilledOffForReal, [[spoiler: if he hasn't been already]].
** Recall that the dwarven member of the Order of the Scribble was killed in the final battle with the Snarl, and that Durkon has been informed he will be returned to his people "posthumously". Of course, the aforementioned prophecy implies that he ''does'' return to his people, and his dwarven predecessor appears to stay exactly where he died. And if he dies in dwarven lands, well then, he returned before he died so it's not "posthumously", is it? This may be a Main/ProphecyTwist, because Main/DeathIsCheap.

*** Alternatively, Main/EverybodyLives, and Elan and Haley guard a gate together.

* Forget [[OneiroiSeries V/Redcloak]]! [[CrackPairing V/Belkar OTP]]!

[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0686.html that]] is very much a leap attack, and [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0216.html this]] shows Roy 1. being focused on charging 2.[[HypocriticalHumor quite willing to use the same tactic over and over again]]. I'm fairly sure The Giant worked on the book where Dungeoncrasher is from (another option in charge builds) The possible feat he learned in the afterlife is either to get pounce, or the mage slayer feat (No defensive casting for magic users you threaten, nice if your foe is backed up against a wall and can't 5ft step out).

*** ... Dammit, fine. ''Yes''. Although I'm not too sure about Charmer - It's to the point and matches Dominater, but seems a little plain for a supername. Also, rather than vaguely psychic mind-control, I think pheremone-type powers would work better. Like a non-Evil [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Purple Man]]. I kind of love the idea of Haley as a DistaffCounterparty Hawkeye-meets-Catwoman, though.

Her ateps to make Belkar feel hate instead lust to her proof this, She could always tell him true if she was male.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius is another AU version of Tedd from El Goonish Shive]]
It makes so much sense!

[[WMG: Belkar is going to turn into an Eldritch Abomination]]
Or something else that doesn't need to breathe to survive.

[[WMG: Belkar has longer to live than Roy thinks]]
Yes, he'll die before the end of the year-but which year? We've already seen at least two calenders with different new years(northern and southern), who's to say the oracle wasn't using a kobald calender? I think Roy will do some things that he wouldn't do if he didn't know belkar was going to die very soon, and it will bite him in the ass when belkar doesn't die as soon as he thought.
* It could also be 'one year from this point' meaning that Belkar will die within a year since the Oracle made that prophecy.

[[WMG: The Order of the Stick will fight the [[Light Warriors Webcomic/8-bit Theatere]]
The Light warriors will be presented as [[ShadowArchetype Shadow Archetypes]] for the Order.

*** Xykon explained it in his [[Main/ShapedLikeItself power equals power]] [[Main/TheReasonYouSuckSpeech speech]]: because [[spoiler: V didn't work for his power, he was unable to properly wield it and was defeated.]]
* Alternately, V will join with Redcloak, who does a Main/HeelFaceTurn after Xykon betrays his lackey to probable death. It ''does'' seem like the kind of thing Xykon would pull.
** What if Redcloak does the HealFaceTurn to betray Xykon before Xykon betrays him.Redcloak hates Xykon and the only reason he didn't smash his phylactery is because he can't admit he teamed up with him for nothing. He does however now have a whole city that is policalty stable for goblins to call their own. It is the equal footing his kind need so he might be able to forget The Plan and say Xykon outlived his purpose after the siege and just needed the right opportunity to kill him. Well what better opportunity when the Order attacks him. Then he has the reason and means to cut his losses, kill Xykon and go back to building an actual future for the gobliniods with Azure city. The think that the Order would agree to it because Roy's father's blood oath is on Xykon and only Xykon.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius is Pompey's mother/father]]
They never actually meet. They look reasonably alike. And having an illegitimate bi-species child while you're married to someone else seems like a very good reason to make yourself scarce for a couple hundred years. Backed up by V stating [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0625.html that they're not a virgin]] in the recent strip.
* Not to mention the theme naming at work - they're both named after volcanoes.
* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0629.html This hardly seems like a marriage that weathered an affair.]]
** Like s/he would know after V being gone for several decades.
** Given the different age rates of elves and half-elves, it might be possible for Pompey to be younger than V's children still at home.
** Alternately, they're half-siblings or cousins. It doesn't have to be a paternal connection for them to related.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius and Inkyrius are ''not'' both "married" and of the opposite sex.]]
It will turn out that they adopted the last surviving members of their family, and may be as much as fraternal twins. {{Twincest}} and/or HoYay may ensue, but it is more likely that they are HeterosexualLifePartners or the one-sided version of PseudoRomanticFriendship (the second sentence assuming neither explicitly used the word "spouse" in common).
* Or they are married, but Elves in Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick land just happen to practice gay marriage.

[[WMG: The spice that Belkar got from the spice merchant will be his death]]
It's an obvious Dune reference (c'mon, sandworms anyone?). While the spice called melange from Dune gives its user a longer lifespan it also has fatal withdrawal symptomps. So, after taking his first doze of the stuff Belkar will find himself oddly invigorated for a while, but after a while this newly gained life-force will fade away from him.

[[WMG: Belkar will survive past the end of the year, BUT...]]
...somehow he will be teleported back into the past and die during this year.

[[WMG: Belkar should avoid putting money into Interdimensional Rift Accounting]]
It's the only possible answer.

[[WMG: Belkar will die before the end of the year- exactly 1x10^-<Insert Ridiculously Large Number> seconds before the end of the year.]]
Come on, you know something like this is going to happen.

[[WMG: Belkar has a crush on Vaarsuvius, and this is the reason why he wants to know V's gender so badly.]]
He doesn't seem to be bisexual, so if V is male he will lose his interest in him, but if V is female he will make a move on her. When he kissed V, he couldn't control his feelings so well, as he was drunk.
* Possibly confirmed; the cast page of "Don't Split The Party" claims that Belkar wants to "shtup" V.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius is female and that AmbiguousGender thing is because of Belkar ]]
Her attempts to make Belkar feel hate insisted lust to her proof this, She could always tell him true if she was male.
* V presents a theory that Belkar can only feel hatred or lust for ''anyone''. There's no third option of him simply losing interest because of finding out someone was male.
** Belkar hate every male character, or V think that Belkar hates every male.
*** V only thinks that Belkar hates every male; it has been shown that he doesn't hate Lord Shojo or Mr. Scruffy, or himself.

[[WMG: Durkon's entry papers just expired. This will have some effect on the plot.]]
For reference, he got his entry papers [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0732.html in strip 732]], and they were issued for 30 strips. This means they expired [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0762.html here]]. My guess? Elan realized this somehow, and this is why he ran off at the end of 763. His father is going to be remembered as an awesome villain, when as an Evil Dictator he deserves no such thing? Who cares about that, Durkon might get arrested, and if that happens, they're ''screwed''!

[[WMG: Belkar will be an undead and is not long for this world.]]
Belkar manages to somehow become an undead. But ends up getting thrown into the rift. And misses the other world. Making him stuck [[AndIMustScream eternally in the void of space, without the means to deal himself damage]]. Definitely should savor his next birthday cake and shouldn't bother funding IRA.

[[WMG: Belkar WILL survive past the end of the year, BUT...]]
...since he's holding his breath or otherwise unable to breathe before the clock strikes midnight, he'll die shortly afterwards thus rendering the whole "surviving past the end of the year" thing kinda moot, but will fit his [[TheDeterminator determinator]] side to his personality perfectly.

[[WMG: The reason why Vaarsuvius is referred to as V instead of an "it".]]
If the above theory is correct, and then it's because calling an elf an [[FantasticSlurs "It" is like calling a black guy an N-word]] in the [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Order of the Stick]] universe. Or at least because ItIsDehumanizing.

[[WMG: Ian's theory in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0771.html strip 771]] is correct]]
Elan is the greatest master of obfuscating stupidity of all time.
* There's nothing obfuscating about ''his'' stupidity.
* Given Elan's horrified reaction to realizing that his father is evil, with no audience except the readers, for this theory to work Elan would have to be a sleeper agent, unaware of the fact that he's been helping his father's evil plans all along.

[[WMG: Banjo will be Elan's Ace in the Hole]]
Early on, Banjo was revealed to have the power to use lightning but it was very weak because of lack of worshippers. Now, there are all these orcs who worship Banjo and most likely gave him a boost of power. For all we know, Elan had spread the word of Banjo during the months he had been separated from Haley.
* The only problem is that the orcs worship [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0561.html GIGGLES the clown, god of slapstick]]. Otherwise the theory is sound.
** It might work to strengthen the pantheon itself, and thus indirectly strengthen Banjo.

Yes, he'll die before the end of the year-but which year? We've already seen at least two calenders with different new years(northern and southern), who's to say the oracle wasn't using a kobald calender? I think Roy will do some things that he wouldn't do if he didn't know belkar was going to die very soon, and it will bite him in the ass when belkar doesn't die as soon as he thought.

[[WMG: Belkar will die, and [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute someone exactly like him]] will appear to fight alongside the party.]]
Think about it. All of the other D&D rules seem in effect. If Belkar does die, and then something prevents him from being raised (soul bind, for instance) what's to stop him from rerolling a new PC? As an added bonus, this allows Belkar to avenge his own death.
* And it's nothing new, since Celia served essentially the same role While Roy was missing.
* Unlikely due to [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0610.html this]]:
-->'''Vision of Shojo:''' If you die, will another halfling ranger just happen to show up to take your place?
-->'''Belkar''': No! HELL no!

[[WMG: Belkar is coasting towards ChaoticNeutral]]
Again, self explanatory

[[WMG: The prophecy about Belkar means that the comic will end]]
Belkar (and the rest of the cast, but nobody asked the Oracle about them) will draw his last breath, never eat another birthday cake, etc., because ''the comic will reach a full and satisfactory ending before the end of the year'', and there will be no more comics about them. (Bar perhaps further prequels.)

[[WMG: Belkar suffers from ADHD, as well as psychopathy.]]
That would explain his impulsiveness, quick temper and unpredictability. He's boisterous and loud, and would rather live for the moment and ''do'', rather than contemplate decisions. Belkar also isn't good with authority; people with ADHD often have run-ins with teachers and the police. And he has a low Wisdom score.


[[WMG: Varsuuvus is an innovator]]
"He" is an [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 androgynous, purple-haired non-human.]]

[[WMG: Belkar will die exactly as he unwittingly predicted.]]
See the second panel of [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0128.html this]] strip. Not only will it be HarsherInHindsight, he will die after a lot of character development to the point where only the readers and probably Mr. Scruffy will know that he had improved from being full-on Chaotic Evil to something more redeemable. Only time will tell if this becomes true.

[[WMG: Whatever V's gender, if ve has one, ve's gay.]]
Explains the adopted kids, and the background during the Darth V transformation was a very unsubtle pink triangle.

[[WMG: Belkar dies to be with Mr. Scruffy]]
[[YankTheDogsChain Then learns]] as a Neutral Hungry cat, he is in a seperate afterlife from a ChaoticEvil Sexy Shoeless God of War.

[[WMG: Belkar has the gods on his side, therefore the year will not end until he finishes his task.]]
The gods are in control, so they just extend the "year" to until the final battle is over, as he is the second most likely person to destroy Xykon, or the year is the time period in which Xykon and his minions are still alive. Here's the reasons why he's the second most likely:
* V isn't stupid, she realizes how powerful Xykon is, and unless she uses those crazy powers she used to save her family , she does not stand a chance against Xykon. I'm not saying Belkar is more powerful than V, it's just that he's more likely to have a leeroy jenkins moment in which he manages to get lucky.
* Elan is just too hapless to be able to stand a chance.
* Haley will probably be too occupied with Elan's blunders to get a chance.
* If Durkon fought with Xykon, it would contradict the Oracle stating he'd go back to his homeland, because Xykon will probably have Redcloak revive him as a zombie

[[WMG: Belkar will confess his feelings to Vaarsuvius just before he dies.]]

According to the relationship chart in ''Don't Split the Party'' (and occasional [[HoYay hints in the story]]), Belkar wants to sleep with Vaarsuvius, for one reason or another. The more he expands into "pretend" character development, the more support he's going to show V until one day he realizes that, even if it's not really anything like love (which he only really has for his cat), V is still somehow important to him. This will inspire him to pretend to make a heartfelt declaration of feeling in order to get V into his bed. It won't work, and then he'll die, leaving V to wonder.

[[WMG: As Shojo intended, Belkar is BecomingTheMask]]
As a textbook example, because of his fake character growth, Belkar feels able to act out of sympathy and kindness from time to time because he's "just keeping up the act" and over time, as seen in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0807.html strip 807]], he is getting to realise that GoodFeelsGood and he can assuage his anger by being gentle as easily as by ripping someone's head off etc. etc. It's only a matter of time before Belkar actually stops and makes informed decisions on whether responding to a situation with violence or kindness would feel better, at which point he shifts over to Neutral.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius is male]]
The Giant had a gender intended, but decided to go for the joke when no one could figure it out. Note Belkar's reaction in the 6th panel of [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0028.html this strip]]. He or Roy wouldn't respond that way if Vaarsuvius was female. It's possible both think Vaarsuvius is male without being sure, but this is an early strip, perhaps before the Giant decided to keep Vaarsuvius' gender a mystery.
* That doesn't prove a thing. Belkar's response more likely is "I always suspected V was a woman" since V's gender is still ambiguous.
* [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0009.html "V-Man]] is casting Identify."
* Even if Rich originally intended V to be male (which seems likely, otherwise he'd draw V with visible breasts like Haley), that original author intent is not relevant anymore in the light of the ''current'' author intent, as well as V being well and truly established as ambiguously gendered in-universe.

[[WMG: Belkar's death will be a DyingMomentOfAwesome]]
Regardless of the situation, we know that this ''has'' to happen -- after all, you either have the [[MemeticMutation Sexy Shoeless God of War]] go out with a bang, or you don't kill him off at all.

[[WMG: Elan and Haley will have BabiesEverAfter by the end of the series.]]
We already know Elan gets a happy ending. That practically guarantees that Haley is there with him, as otherwise he wouldn't be fully happy, if happy at all. They are an official couple. So, by the end, Elan and Haley are together and living peacefully. BabiesEverAfter is not illogical as a conclusion.

[[WMG: At some point this year, Belkar will draw a picture..]]
...which will be titled 'His Last Breath.' The Oracle only heard that 'Belkar will draw "His Last Breath" this year', and assumed it meant Belkar would die.
* He has repeatedly stated that Belkar is not long for the world, that he shouldn't bother funding his IRA, savor his next birthday cake, will draw his last breath... and the fact is, the Oracle subverts the ProphecyTwist trope on pretty regular basis. He's going to die.
** The other things he said were his attempts to drop hints at what he thought would happen, based on his misunderstanding of the information he actually received. He thinks Belkar will die, and so drops hints to that effect, but the prophecy was about something else (alternatively, the picture is very popular despite being awful, and he gets murdered by a bunch of jealous artists who can't get any recognition).

[[WMG: Belkar will not die because of his fake CharacterDevelopment]]
The last time the oracle said anything about his fate, he'd only just activated the Mark of Justice, and had yet to start his development. Now that he has, the future events have changed, but the oracle hasn't shown up to say anything about it. Before, he would have reached a point where he was left for dead because he was seen as too evil to bother rescuing. Now, however, his development, fake or not, will convince someone he's at the very least redeemable, and so avert the prophecy. Note the passcode required to remove Belkar's Mark of Justice: "Evolve or Die", which in the context of the dream/hallucination/ghost Shojo's comments could easily mean 'Develop your character or get killed off.'

[[WMG: When Belkar dies, he'll still hang around the party as a ghost.]]
Mostly to make sure Mr. Scruffy's still doing OK, as I doubt the Order would just abandon the cat by the wayside. Heck, the Scruffinator could be to Belkar what Roy's sword was to Eugene. And naturally, the reason Belkar will even be able to do this is because his partly-fake-partly-real character development will be enough to make the underworld completely confused about where to send him, giving him the opportunity to pop back in to the mortal world as a ghost.

[[WMG: Haley is directly related to Girard... but was spared Familicide thanks to her father being in a powerful antimagic field at the time.]]
Yeah, I went there. The Familicide spell couldn't find Ian because he was protected by the antimagic field, and since it couldn't find Ian, it couldn't trace his own bloodline down to Haley. Aunt Ivy, as Ian's sister, would have also been struck down unless she had been sneaking Ian and Geoff food at that exact moment (which would make sense if she had, as it was lunchtime), but we currently do not actually know that Ivy is alive anyway.
* If this is true, Aunt Ivy would have had to be with him. She and Haley share blood, so if she was hit, so was Haley.
* While Ian was protected by the antimagic field in the prison, Haley might also have been shielded by the residual Cloister effect.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius will go Dark Willow again without the help of the IFCC.]]
He'll be too ashamed to tell the Order what he's done, re: the Draketooth family, and maintaining the lie will antagonize him against the Order. Either that or he'll tell them and they will ostracize him. Like with Belkar, the Order is what keeps him from being a villain.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius's Mea Maxima Culpa has jarred him out of Neutral into Good, and he'll atone enough for a surprise positive afterlife.]]
With Vaarsuvius this shaken by the enormity of his act, there's no way he'll allow himself to stray now - and he considers his own life forfeit as TheAtoner. This'll be vital at some climactic point in the future. He'll go through life believing that he deserves every punishment, but recall how the celestial realm judged Roy: ''Trying'' to do good, even in the face of great mistakes, counts in their system of justice. Since Vaarsuvius has lost his self-centered nature, he'll be able to make sacrifices that, while certainly not erasing the original sin, at least give him comfort after death. Alt: After the story is finished, he wanders the world doing good for centuries, until finally he can rest.

[[WMG: By the end of the series, Elan and Haley will have broken up as a subversion of HappilyEverAfter and BabiesEverAfter.]]

Haley will eventually complete her emotional growth, learn to trust and open up as much as she chooses...and then start to question the validity of her feelings for him, because those trust issues are what made her find him attractive in the first place. Once she doesn't need him to make her a better person, she'll come to the conclusion that a non-adventuring relationship with Elan just wouldn't work, and break up with him amicably before it can go bad (though she'll always wonder how it might have gone). Elan will then complete ''his'' character growth when he has to deal with it, and find his happy ending some other way after the breakup: the Oracle said it ended well for ''Elan'', after all.

[[WMG: Belkar will become trapped on the Astral Plane]]
The Astral Plane suspends the need to eat and breathe, he isn't on this world, and since he's going to not be able to do anything that can affect the world, he doesn't need to bother funding his IRA (and since he's trapped, he'll never eat again, making his next birthday cake his last). While he survives... [[AndIMustScream He'll wish he didn't.]]

[[WMG: V will (somehow) become a [[SuccubiAndIncubi succubus.]]]]
When the IFCC are almost done with the time V owes hir soul to them, they'll decide to turn hir into a succubus just for kicks and giggles. (C'mon, turning the ambiguously gendered elf into a personification of illicit sex would be freaking hilarious.) At the end of the year, Belkar will for some reason be low on hit points. (Perhaps he'll be sick? And he'll have irritated Durkon enough to not get healed?) When they count down to the new year, V will decide to give Belkar a kiss -- which will drain the last of Belkar's energy. He'll die, and the Afterlife will be so great, he won't want to come back.
(Yes, I know it's not so much a "Wild Mass Guess" as a [[EpilepticTrees "Totally Insane Mass Guess."]]

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius will achieve complete and total ultimate arcane power from Banjo the Clown]]

The Oracle said "By saying the right four words, to the right being, at the right time, for all the wrong reasons." There were 3 demons, so they weren't the right "being" Furthermore "I- I must succeed" is a lame excuse for four words.

V showed interest in worshipping Banjo, but didn't because he didn't have espresso coffee. If Elan manages to get an espresso coffee maker, V might worship Banjo, who will use his magical puppet powers to give V arcane power. The four words being "I will worship Banjo" or something like that.

[[WMG: Vaarsuvius will admit to Tarquin that s/he is his wife's murderer]]
In Vaarsuvius' first true step for redemption he will admit that the spell that was designed to kill off the black dragon family ended up killing his wife as well. However, when Tarquin tries to enact justice, either Vaarsuvius will either stop him from enacting it out or the order of the stick will, because an unrepentant murderer can not bring justice to a repentant one. Afterwards V will stay with the party as a penance and only after the threat of the Snarl is over, will he give himself up to the authorities.

*** ... Dammit, fine. ''Yes''. Although I'm not too sure about Charmer - It's to the point and matches Dominater, but seems a little plain for a supername. Also, rather than vaguely psychic mind-control, I think pheremone-type powers would work better. Like a non-Evil [[MarvelUniverse Purple Man]]. I kind of love the idea of Haley as a DistaffCounterparty Hawkeye-meets-Catwoman, though.

From other girls like Samantha, Tsukiko, and Therkla we know modern looking female underwear exist. And despite seeing Haley nearly naked or even half naked, we never seen her in underwear. Her wardrobe malfunction was off-screen, the black outfit Nale gave her didn't had a place for a bra, and when they were on the worm, there and Elan lifted her shirt, there were no bra clasp was visible. Her not wearing panties have less evidence, but the one we have is pretty conclusive. During Blood in the Family, when she did the Godiva hair bit, she kept her pants on.And while we could do a being naked, means invisible thing as a reason (And Elan probably would have said something about her being invisible), It's strange that she was not topless in panties instead of being topless with regular pants. The only conclusion we can draw from this, is that she didn't wanted to wait naked, but because she didn't had panties, she had to keep her pants on. (This is a joke wmg obviously)

See the second panel of [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0128.html this]] strip. Not only will it be a huge FunnyAneurysmMoment, he will die after a lot of character development to the point where only the readers and probably Mr. Scruffy will know that he had improved from being full-on Chaotic Evil to something more redeemable. Only time will tell if this becomes true.

See the second panel of [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0128.html this]] strip. Not only will it be a huge FunnyAneurysmMoment, he will die after a lot of character development to the point where only the readers and probably Mr. Scruffy will know that he had improved from being full-on Chaotic Evil to something more redeemable. Only time will tell if this becomes true.

[[WMG: V will (somehow) become a [[HornyDevils succubus.]]]]

[[WMG: V will (somehow) become a [[HornyDevils succubus.]]]]

*** Don't tell him that, [[KillEmAll he'll take it as a challenge]].

It wasn't ''only'' the effect of a HesBack moment. Remember that time early on where he had to give a FreudianExcuse-filled soliloquy to earn a few XP that'd make him go up a level? Well, when he snapped out of the curse, it was basically the same thing UpToEleven. He probably recieved so much XP that he jumped up several levels at once, which explains the sudden increase in his sheer badass.

[[WMG:Belkar should avoid using [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Ira]]]]

** Ben Belkar, AKA War-God. Bestial NinetiesAntihero, whom Star-Fist keeps on the team because it's better to have him pointed at the bad guys than at the civillian population. In addition to animalistic powers, such as SuperStrength and SuperSenses, is certifiable KnifeNut.

[[WMG: Haley is, and always has been, ChaoticNeutral.]]
The last secret in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0309.html this strip]]: "Elan, it turns out I may not be exactly what you would call..." At this point she's already admitted to being in poor standing with the Thieves' Guild and kissing girls, so what could the next word be? The answer lies in her recent premeditated murder of an unarmed Crystal and revocation of her deal with the Thieves' Guild, which has sparked endless debate over whether this represents a fall from ChaoticGood standing; the answer is that she was ''never ChaoticGood in the first place'', but just started claiming that to get into the good graces of a LawfulGood adventurer and/or the pants of a certain ChaoticGood bard. This is what she nearly confessed that night.
* Unless I've spectacularly misunderstood the point of the Chaotic alignments, "breaking a deal" is ''exactly'' what they do. Considering her ChaoticNeutral because of one act, in which she takes the opportunity to remove a psychopath who has attempted to kill her on several occasions (and who will probably be raised shortly afterwards, meaning that all Crystal's lost are one level and protective magical jewels), flies in the face of her past characterisation - the dirt farmers, her stint with LaResistance, gathering cash to save her father - is just a bit premature. Besides, both Crystal and Bozzok had it coming - Crystal has been demonstrated to be malevolent (Assassin is an evil-only prestige class), [[ChaoticEvil dangerously insane]], and [[TooDumbToLive possessing Darwin Awards levels of stupidity]], and Bozzok takes self-serving to new [[strike: heights]] depths; it's hard to argue betraying them would really ding the old KarmaMeter, certainly not to the extent of arguing that her alignment is CN in the face of past behaviour.
** Am I the only one who remembers Alignment Tendencies? Characters are not always firmly one thing or the other; often they hover between two alignments (except completely opposing ones, of course.) Haley always struck me as being Good with Neutral tendencies (she likes treasure a bit too much, and not just for her father's sake.) Her killing of Crystal is a bit more controversial for being an impulsive thing (what if V hadn't been willing or able to port them out?) More importantly, she's keeping it a secret because she knows the other (good) characters won't appreciate it. Should be interesting to see what happens if Elan finds out...
*** Elan knows. I forget which strip it happens in, but when Elan and Haley reunite, Haley tells Elan a story "that ends with how I got this new knife" and afterwords Elan asks if she was "sure she was really bad", which indicates that they were talking about Crystal
*** I took it that she lied about it mostly so that Celia wouldn't bitch her out about it. Last thing she wants is Celia giving her hell for it, which we all know she would do.
*** Considering Celia ''is'' one of the other (good) characters who won't appreciate it, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
*** Yes, but there's a difference between, say, Roy not appreciating it ("Haley, you didn't have to do that, but considering everything else, we'll just talk about it later.") and Celia not appreciating it ("OH MY GOD! YOU KILLED SOMEONE! I HAVE TO TELL HER BOSS AND HAVE HER RAISED AND SPEND YOUR MONEY TO DO IT!")
** Part of the decoded text of strip #393 reads "Of course not! This is absurd! I'm Chaotic Good! Ish!" Source [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NeoAC/Translations_for_Haley_in_Order_of_the_Stick here]]. The only question is whether the "ish" means that she's Good with neutral tendencies, which would still mean here alignment is Chaotic Good, or if she's only kidding herself.
** Also, she was immobilized by Unholy Blight, and Neutral characters only take damage from it.

** "Out of his misery"? I think it's abundantly clear that V gets off on power. The only misery I could see happening would come if s/he were forced to see all that s/he had done, and became weighed down by guilt. And even if that happens (V seems to be an expert at rationalizing ways for hir to be in the right) hir work ethic, determination, pride and ([[LawfulStupidChaoticStupid sometimes skewed but still there]]) moral compass means s/he's probably the sort to go on some epic quest for redemption, rather than become suicidal.

[[WMG: Guessing at Vaarsuvius' alignment.]]
I was going to make this about the entire [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Order of the Stick]], but their alignments have all been confirmed except Durkon's and V's and Durkon's is almost certainly Lawful Good anyway. So on to V it is.
I'd guess he's Lawful Neutral. He passed Miko's Detect Evil spell back near the beginning, and he REALLY seems to be Lawful, but also a bit amoral. I really doubt he's Good, so he's probably Neutral.
* Never mind, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0206.html True Neutral]]
** Never mind, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0595.html Chaotic Neutral]]
*** How about [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0172.html Good]] I mean look at [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0128.html that]] is a good deed, and even with [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0213.html dirt farmers]] it's kind.
*** Bear in mind that "does something (Alignment X) occasionally" does not equal "full-fledged X character". Roy's tendency to use chaotic acts, for example, doesn't push him to NeutralGood or ChaoticGood.
* Seconding True Neutral, with a shift to Chaotic Neutral caused by lack of sleep.
* [[spoiler: And now with a shift into Chaotic Evil.]]
** Actually, I'd say it's more [[spoiler: Neutral Evil]]. Or at the very least a Neutral ''something''. Let's not forget [[spoiler: V had the most power with the Neutral Evil soul in the splice, indicating that perhaps V resonated with her better than the rest.]]
*** How is V evil? Okay Kubota's murder was unneeded but he killed a Black Dragon! They're evil! This is the comic who gave us [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience Color Coded For Our Convenience]] so you can't say that it was a misunderstood dragon.
*** Never mind apparently that the one who accepted that expalantion [[spoiler:(Miko Miyazaki)]] was later revealed by WordOfGod to be a WellIntentionedExtremist and KnightTemplar. Or that part of [=SoD=]'s whole premise is upsetting that D&D notion of color-coded convenience. Or that the spell would have [[spoiler:killed not just dragons but any other beings related within some number of degrees to the black dragon mom including, very likely, several sorcerers and half-dragons]]. [[DeadpanSnarker I guess it is alright]].
* V is definitely Neutral, not evil. Nor has he shown tendencies to Law or Chaos. He might, however, assume he's damned to become Evil for a while, before his friends save him from his Faustian deal.

[[WMG: After having his epiphany, Belkar is now NeutralEvil.]]
This [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0616.html]] practically states it outright.
* Nah, he's still Chaotic Evil, but he's faking Ethical Neutrality.
* He's Chaotic Evil now, but he was likely to become Stupid Evil if Shojo hadn't intervened. As evidenced by [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0435.html strip 435]], the [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Order of the Stick]] alignment system has a third dimension.
** He's chaotic evil, up from chaotic stupid.
* I hope the author is planning to give him SOME character development, because as the unrepentant evil bastard he is now I can't stand him (I don't even read his word balloons anymore.) Hopefully his "fake" conversion will lead to real changes. It can be done well. See: ''Series/MyNameIsEarl''.
* If you mix this theory with the "Shojo is a Ghost" theory, it's entirely possible that Shojo's advice to Belkar was part of ThePlan to force the little sociopath into making a HeelFaceTurn somewhere down the line. Belkar THINKS that he's only feigning Character Development, but he's already seeing the benefits of being nice to others.
* I think he's now Neutral Evil. This [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0781.html strip]] shows Haley commenting on the fact since Belkar now has something to care for, Mr. Scruffy, his alignment averages somewhere "South of Neutral." Going by the [[CharacterAlignment original alignment chart]] in [=DnD=], the alignment immediately down True Neutral is Neutral Evil.
** She just meant he's more bad than good. Don't be so literal.
** Given Belkar's speech on how people change subtly over time and the fact he is accompanying his friends into saving the world, I would reckon that he will end up becoming Chaotic Neutral, with the good deeds he's trying to do balancing out the evil ones, but still being a crazy guy. It would allow him to meet up with Lord Shojo (I think, may be wrong on this.)

Redcloak's plan to [[spoiler:use the Snarl to blackmail the Gods into remaking the world]] requires a powerful divine spellcaster (who can be Redcloak himself) and a powerful Arcane Caster. Currently, the role of Arcane Caster is allocated to Xykon, whose defeat the heroes are concentrating on. Once he's out of the way, Vaarsuvius (a powerful arcane caster who has been prophesized to gain complete and total ultimate power by "saying the right four words to the right being at the right time for all the wrong reasons") may join with Redcloak to [[spoiler:remake the world]] in a way that benefits elves. He's been shown to be amoral, though not as obviously so as Belkar, and so this makes for a good ShockingSwerve.

* Absolutely nothing (it's a Shapechange spell, not a species change. It could be based on one or more of the souls. Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick follows [[SearchWiki of=Main%2FSearchWiki the various narrative rules]] when they supercede the D&D rules. [[MST3KMantra So on]] [[BellisariosMaxim and]] [[AWizardDidIt so forth]].)

*** ...Why do I suddenly have the voice of [[TheSimpsons Comic Book Guy]] ringing in my head?

** So V wants to say 'Ha ha you suck losers I hate you look how much more awesome I am than you. Watch as I solve the problem you've made no progress on in six+ months!' Look how pissed V gets when the possibly about-to-die [[StuffedIntoTheFridge to make V seem worse]] Daigo and Kazumi point out Elan and Durken already know where Haley is. He/she was not going to be friendly, and already had sort of stopped caring about Xykon. Now he/she will be even angrier at them.

It will turn out that they adopted the last surviving members of their family, and may be as much as fraternal twins. {{Twincest}} and/or HoYay may ensue, but it is more likely that they are HeterosexualLifePartners or the one-sided version of RomanticTwoGirlFriendship (the second sentence assuming neither explicitly used the word "spouse" in common).

It will turn out that they adopted the last surviving members of their family, and may be as much as fraternal twins. {{Twincest}} and/or HoYay may ensue, but it is more likely that they are HeterosexualLifePartners or the one-sided version of RomanticTwoGirlFriendship (the second sentence assuming neither explicitly used the word "spouse" in common).