THANK! YOU!
He took that much time to write a response on his DA about a review by a no-name dude on TV Tropes? Pfft.
When someone says kids might like breadwinners he responds with "Not all kids buckle their seat belts." Is that an association fallacy, strawman, or a proof by examples fallacy?
illegitematus non carborundum est
Notice how he never posted that response.... here.
Yeah.
well I always say, if you don't have haters, you're not doing it right.
furthermore like said, you haven't done enough research for this review. oh and out of all of those fallacy stuff, the strawmen is the only fallacy there that is an actual fallacy. the other 2 don't even exist. and no a strawmen is an overly simplified argument that is easily disproven.
finally, the only thing that will make this review hold water is to change "whole series" to "arc"
Simplified argument I referred to: Some children have bad judgement (not brushing teeth, not wearing seatbelts, etc) and some children watch breadwinners. Therefore the children watching breadwinners have bad judgement.
On more research, proof by example (I saw a dog bite someone, therefore the dog is always aggressive) is wrong That said, an association fallacy (Steve is brunette and Steve is good at basketball. Therefore brunettes are good at basketball) does apply here.
illegitematus non carborundum est
I've definitely seen reviewers get insulted for their opinions (or reviewers insult other people for their opinions) on here before, but I think Scolipendra's comments are the first time I've seen it done so blatantly.
ughhhh..... everyone in this review wants to recommend him of how awesome he is, i'm sick and tired of this shit! why is everyone is acting like mr enter is their god or if he's the first reviewer ON THE PLANET?! he's not the first person who reviews cartoons you know, or you just support because he have asperger syndrome or you support him cause he's special than all of the other reviewers?
An insult to physical attributes like "shorty" doesn't really work when you're using it to a stranger over the internet.
Also why is everyone separating their thoughts across multiple comments like this anyways? The Enter key exists.
See, like this.
Lol someone flagged this review.
I have Asperger's, and let me tell you, this guy gets on rants over the most minor shit. See, his speech directed towards one of the writers of Spongebob, directing a huge amount of seething rage at someone simply for being a bad writer. I simply cannot understand it.
"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
And the dude's comments are baleeted.
Scolipendra was taken care of by the mods in case anyone was curious.
This got heated very quickly. :/
The thing is, Mr. Enter does not give a shit about any of the bravado, showmanship, professional presentation, or anything else about making internet videos to make them enjoyable. Besides what he's saying (wishing the creators BEHIND the bad cartoons would die in a fire instead of talking about the cartoons themselves in an unbiased way as though he lives in their same neighborhood), he loops the same clips over and over again, his voice is unappealing, he has no intro, he has no outro, he never uses music cues or edits clips in a way that makes them entertaining, he doesn't act as a character, his voice is much louder than the clips themselves which shows that no one told him to BALANCE THE AUDIO VOLUME ON ALL THE ASSETS, and the timing is all the same and results in a very boring, monotonous pace! He should step up his game, or never make videos at all!!
I don't think that not acting as a character is a bad thing. Sometimes, hearing a critic's personal opinions, without too much exaggeration, can be more compelling. But that depends on what your goal is.
"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Personally, I don't find the NC funny, mature, or entertaining. In commentary or criticism, understated wit tends to amuse me far more than over the top shouting, character and showmanship
Now I've never watched this Mr. Enter man at all, but you're making him sound better than the NC to me. You're not making him sound good, but the bar you set is abysmally low to me.
This is why comparative reviewing should probably die as a style. It requires the reader to have knowledge of an outside work and if the reader disagrees with just one or two points on one work, the entire argument can easily fall apart like this
Um, when he said that Nick needs to die, he meant the company needs to go down, obviously. He didn't literally wish death upon everyone who works there. Also, the fact that something is made for kids is no excuse for low quality. Hey Arnold!, Rocko's Modern Life and the first three seasons of SpongeBob SquarePants were actually decent and appealed to both the majority of kids and adults. Because the creators actually worked to entertained, they didn't lazily pander. Breadwinners is a clear example of pandering.
"Give the host an assumption that kids animation has to be done in one way and that shows like Breadwinners and Sanjay And Craig are [[Sarcasm Mode obviously bad for kids because he as an adult dislikes it]]."
Yeah, that's why he criticized Breadwinners and Sanjay and Craig. He didn't hate Sanjay and Craig because it had absolute piss poor sense on how to use a proper fart joke, he didn't criticize the fact that Sanjay and Craig were essentially the same character.
And he certainly didn't think Breadwinners was bad for kids because of the fact that it included a plot line where one of the main characters tried to force another person to fall in love with him by essentially drugging said person. To the point where he sneaked into an area without permission disguised as a girl and refused to leave the premises.
Nope, he just thinks the above shows are bad for kids because he as an adult doesn't like it.
You took the words right out of my mouth. This guy is evil.
@Jinbo71: Are you serious? Whether you like him as a reviewer or not, he's far from an evil person. That's just an insane conclusion for you to make. If you're referring to the fact that he insults the writers he doesn't like, take into account that he did this as a form of cathartic and that, for how much he does insult the new SpongeBob writers, he has never given them death threats.
@Jinbo71: Are you serious? Whether you like him as a reviewer or not, he's far from an evil person. That's just an insane conclusion for you to make. If you're referring to the fact that he insults the writers he doesn't like, take into account that he did this as a form of cathartic and that, for how much he does insult the new SpongeBob writers, he has never given them death threats.
Shit. Sorry for the double post.
Catharsis? For what?
You can't have catharsis if you don't have deep problems in your life. If it's taking it out on these writers for the problems he has, well, that just makes him seem like a petulant bully. If it's for their bad writing, then, well, it makes him look immature.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Are you still on about that Casey Alexander thing?
No, I'm just wondering what the hell the catharsis the guy mentioned above is supposed to be.
Though I'm still not happy that this harassment is going on. It's a shameful chapter for everyone involved.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
@Aldo930: He clarifies this on his Tumblr post.
http://mrenter.tumblr.com/post/89823858019/i-love-your-work-but-im-kinda-scared-you-are-a-great
@The Emperah Well, when he says that your favorite/childhood network says that it needs to die AND calls it one of the worst companies in existence just because it doesn't hold up to his overly high standards, not to mention being so personal when it comes to children's cartoons, you get the feeling you need to bust his head, see?
Oh, so he has a different opinion then you, and that's why you think he's "Evil"? It's not like he's a Fan Hater or anything. I really think that you take his opinions way too seriously, Jinbo.
Two posts up: I'm sorry, but this isn't catharsis in any sense of the word. He's saying horrible, awful things about these writers because... why? His own problems in real life?
Generally, when you have problems like he had you don't deal with them by taking them out on other people, especially other people you don't know.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
@marston Okay, sure, maybe not evil per say, but he is undeniably a huge jerk.
And this isn't about opinions, this is him being offensive and attacking people he doesn't even know.
@Aldo930 aren't you the guy who through a spastic tantrum when Mr. Enter made a review of "Love Bugs" from Flapjack? It seems like you're just bitter that he blocked you and owned your ass. See it all here: http://mrenter.deviantart.com/journal/Feeding-the-Trolls-I-Aldo-Banjo-Man-434426621 Aldo, your comments are still there and no matter what you say it makes you look pity.
@Jinbo71 aren't you the guy who starting randomly saying "fuck you" to Mr. Enter through various websites and made it seem like you just disagreed with his opinion on Breadwinners? And didn't he ask you to forget that he exists?
You two are just bitter. Every single post about him you say the same fucking thing. He showed Casey Alexander's PUBLIC tweets, presumably because that's the only dirt you can dig up on him and you say it verbatim. NO ONE CARES. Just like no one cared about Doug Walker turning Shamalyan into a cartoon character and Todd in the Shadows revealing Iggy Asalia's tweets in his Fancy review, despite having nothing to do with the song itself. You know, those two people who work on That Guy With the Glasses, the highest pedestal for an internet critic?
... well...
I found him out. Mr. Enter was so hurt about the comments I made here about him in this very Reply section, last month he very maturely and professionally wrote a Deviantart journal entry targeting only me, and resulted in almost 200 deviants giving me the inexcusable "troll" label, when he could've chosen TONS of other comments here that were just as flaming!! i can see where he gets all his support from now!!!
How adult of him.
I am never using this account again. Good-bye, everyone.
Geez, sorry to hear that Shota. Regardless of whatever his cartoon reviews are like, that's amazingly immature for anyone on the internet with any kind of fanbase.
I checked his deviantart and he has a fair few rants on there about commenters he doesn't like, or people he's blocked, complete with comments from his fans celebrating whenever they get one of them to close their account. If it's not unusual for him to link his audience to TV Tropes, I think that explains why a sudden barrage of his fans arrived and started flagging anything negative.
Again, I haven't watched his videos, so for all I know he's the goddamn Michael Jordan of cartoon reviews, but he REALLY needs to work on either taking valid criticism or ignoring the stuff that isn't.
If that is true, then wow. just wow.
Man, that's rough Shota.
Don't leave! We like you!
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
That settles it. Everyone should really tell him to cut this attitude.
I find it kinda sad that all of the negative reviews are at the top of the page, with huge comment wars in each one, and none of the positive reviews are getting any attention. And, Shota, I know I'm a bit late to the party but if you didn't want to be labeled as a troll, you probably shouldn't have been lurking around Mr Enter's TV Tropes page is many times after you already clearly established that you hate the guy. It kinda makes you look like a troll. It wasn't very mature of Enter to single you out, but what was he SUPPOSED to do? It's not like he could've changed your mind in any real way.
This is just a little explanation of the site but if someone comments a lot on a review, it doesn't mean they're lurking around the topic of the review. Myself and many other tropers like to look at the 'review activity' page to see what people are talking about and join in new discussions, so it's probable that Shota just saw the reviews there. As they clearly have a strong opinion on Mr Enter, it's not unusual for them to comment on the reviews. No lurking involved.
As for what Mr Enter was supposed to do, I'd would suggest 'the exact opposite of what he just did'. If he couldn't have changed Shota's mind, he just shouldn't have mentioned them - or at the very least not posted a long rant to his Deviant ART fans complaining about them in particular.
Does he really hope to get more fans when he acts like this?
It just makes him look petty and immature and it makes his fans look like bullies.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
He did it to you Aldo, and you seemed to survive it. In fact, you seemed more butt hurt than ever.
@Shota's mess: Wow... how cute of him.
I watched this guy a while ago. In the first reviews I saw he seemed pretty harmless. Later his way to deliver personal attacks at the creators threw me off. And the straw that broke the camel's back was when one review outright attacked a fellow internet reviewer. And this "look at the guys that hate me" thing, geez...
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Who was the fellow Internet reviewer?
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
To answer your question, Worstmusicoftheyear. Mr. Enter should have done what normal people would do, just ignore Shota. Not launch a journal rant on Devintart. You don't see AVGN or Nostalgia Critic or Jontron posting on a journal ranting about how one random troll on TV Tropes sucks now don't you?
heck, i don't even think Jontron even checks his comment section if the Aquaman review is to go by.
Yeah, but then again, they have lives.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
@Aldo: I can't remember his name nor the review where he mentioned him (I believe it had to do with the talking ponies). This other reviewer is fairly small; I didn't see much of him, but he seemed like a fairly regular reviewer, good with words but nothing that made him stand out.
Enter said stuff that basically treated him like a idiotic nemesis of sorts, and not in the funny "internet personas battle" way like The Critic vs The Nerd. Of course, come the comments of folk agreeing with him in Enter's video and making a mess in this other guy's reviews, who mentioned that Enter had some sort of grudge against him. Yeah... not cool man.
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
What the hell did this guy do to him? Jesus Christ.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
@Aldo: Ah yes, Mr. Enter should have just sat there and taken it like mature people do and not worry about having another Aldo Banjo Man on the lose. You know that guy who had a spaz attack when Mr. Enter panned one of his favorite shows, so he blocked him, and then he started talking shit about him on TV Tropes. You know that guy, right?
And no, the other guy was not a good reviewer. Mr. Enter did a response video to him, giving constructive criticism in the logical lapses and complete misuse of terms of his review. But that doesn't really matter Aldo, you'll listen to even the slightest negative thing about Mr. Enter, no matter how true or untrue, because let's face it, butthurt is hard to get over.
Oh dear...
Like I said, what threw me off is how he brought up said reviewer in an unrelated video and started calling him bad blatantly. That and the "making journals about people that don't like me" thing goes against so many unwritten standards of reviewers, especially big-name ones.
And honestly, just to bring up the obvious and less mature point: Just as he called a reviewer out on his bullshit, other people will also call him out on his bullshit. Now maybe they have a point or maybe they are full of shit in both cases, but "make it so my fans start to attack both the people I call out and people that call me out" is not a mature way to handle it by any means.
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
What video would that be because I don't remember seeing it. "Unwritten standards" ah yes, because the Amazing Atheist has never, ever done something like this. People do call him out on his bullshit and he doesn't seem to have a problem with it, and usually takes it in stride. I think it's the fanboy whining that he can't really tolerate.
The Amazing Atheist is A. not a "reviewer," and B. widely regarded as a fuckwit and a waste of air.
a. He has reviewed things in the past and still reviews things occasionally. b. Not really. He has a lot of haters, but he has just as many if not more fans
Yeah, fans who he repeatedly scams and fleeces for money. Not doing Mr. Enter any favors by comparing him to the bottom of the barrel.
I'm sure there are worse than the amazing atheist out there, complete trolls, people who rip-off other people in their entirety, people who are complete idiots.
I'm dumbstruck - a Mr Enter fan who's intent on clearing the guy's name by slamming other people on a shitty review, calling other people butthurt.
This recent turn of events really makes this Mr Enter guy stand out. It's not just about the quality of his show, it's how he's acting in public and how that's affecting other people. He declared a rivalry with a smaller review show for shits and giggles, and it sounds like he didn't work the "feud" out with them beforehand. He's taking comments from a negative review and publishing them on his deviantART, rather than confronting the makers of the comments, to show his fanbase while avoiding confrontation. He is more or less acting like a piece of shit.
And The Amazing Atheist is a piece of shit in the first place, no-one's defending that fuckhole. He had no place in this extended conversation until you brought him up.
Like okay, you like this reviewer guy - fucking A. Have fun. You don't have to come here and accuse people of being "butthurt" when it looks like you, in turn, are sensitive to any criticism of this guy. You're as guilty of being "butthurt" as anyone else here, if not more so.
Mr Enter isn't acting professional - from what I can gather here, he's just being an obnoxious coward preaching to his fanbase about people he doesn't like. When you get a fanbase for your work, you try and set an example for your viewers. You don't lead them into negative habits. I don't have an opinion on his show, but his actions have demonstrated that he lacks maturity and manners, and regardless of any talent he might have I honestly don't think he should have a fanbase if he's going to use it like this.
This entire Mr Enter thing is just... so long and off-putting.
Actually, would Mr Enter's reaction to these comments and the subsequent reaction from the person he whined about be considered exporting/importing drama? It would make me very happy if this review could be nuked and/or never see the light of day again.
No, I only called Aldo butthurt because he started slandering Mr. Enter after he gave a negative review to one of his favorite shows and had a spazz attack. That's butt hurt.
He didn't start a rival with another guy. He took issues with the other guy when he was SMALLER than the other guy and ended it when he was bigger. This person that Mr. Enter confronted, Shota decided to comment on every negative review saying "THANK YOU!" or something with just as much substance, meaning that they literally waited on the page of someone that they did not like in the hopes that someone would say something negative solely for the purpose of agreeing with them.
I'm not sensitive to any criticism of the guy. What I'm "sensitive" to is people agreeing with troll reviews made by people who've literally only seeing two or three of his videos and claim that it represents the entire series.
Of course that's what you're gathering here. The trolls make a review and the other trolls agree with it with more slander and it paints a giant ugly picture that isn't the slightest bit true. These trolls have flat-out attacked him with bile through many different websites just because they disagreed with an opinion of his when he is almost never in the minority. http://mrenter.deviantart.com/journal/Okay-that-s-it-450360576
He's not going after negative comments or negative criticism. What you are suggesting is that he just sits there and takes bile based on very superficial reasons.
Isn't it considered proper internet behavior to not feed the trolls? Anyway, this site was overrun with people who would wait for any review that expressed dislike in Mr. Enter's work, for any reason, and then would flag the review. To them, not liking Mr. Enter or his videos was the same as being a troll. Under those conditions, I can't really blame people for being glad over the reviews that managed to slip through.
"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Mr. Enter doesn't just feed random trolls, or else he wouldn't have time to do anything else. The only time he's done it is when the trolls have been especially disruptive, like attacking his fanbase with bile. It wasn't overrun. It was only one person who did it, and they did it literally every time even the most grammatically bastardized review got through. Agreeing with a bad argument does not make your reasoning look sound.
Isn't it a nice coincidence that everyone who's written, or agreed with, a negative review of Mr. Enter on this site happens to be a troll?
"What you are suggesting is that he just sits there and takes bile based on very superficial reasons." Erm, you ever see the Nostalgia Critic ranting to his legions of fans about a single person who leaves one or two negative comments on his reviews? No, because that would make him look like a petty oversensitive douchebag completely unsuited to produce anything on the internet.
Whether this a big conspiracy by trolls or not, name one positive thing that Mr. Enter accomplishes by going onto deviantART and writing lengthy rants about people who say negative things about him.
It got one of them to stop threatening his fans directly. They were legitimately scared by this guy Jinbo71
Being legitimately scared of someone named Jinbo71... not painting a great picture of Mr. Enter's fanbase.
Were his fans legitimately scared of Shota? Did Shota threaten them directly?
Why don't you go ask him instead of hearing snippits out of context here?
I'm going to take that as a 'No' then.
Don't want to end up commenting too much when I still haven't even seen any of Mr. Enter's videos, although given his actions lately I don't really want to. I'll just reiterate as I leave that if someone is a troll, Mr. Enter should ignore them. If someone has a negative opinion of him but is not a troll, Mr. Enter should take that information on board maturely. Under no circumstances should he direct a rabid legion of fans towards the complainer in an attempt to harass them into staying silent. Not saying that this was just you, but given the flagging of reviews, the angry comments on every negative review, and Mr. Enter's shameful reaction, this has painted a really bad picture of him and his fanbase.
Question, if you've never seen any of Enter's videos, then why are you here?
Comment 43. 31st July. Scroll up. Getting really tired of explaining the existence and purpose of the 'Review Activity' page.
Kind of hard to ignore these Mr. Enter reviews when irate fans have kept every negative review in a constant state of discussion for the last 3 months.
Elbruno, earlier comment: What are the unwritten standards of reviewers?
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Don't be a massive douchebag? Seriously, throwing crap at other people gratuituously and causing your fanbase to attack them is a huge no-no, no matter popularity or validity of your points. In the case of the reviewer, it wasn't even an in-character hostility like, again, The Nerd vs The Critic; he blatantly put down a less known reviewer for no reason after unnecessarily bringing him up (or some sort of grudge, but that's still no good reason).
"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Hello dear readers I would like to say would both sides of this argument place stop and read what I have to say:
I will have to agree that he does have some hit and misses in his reviews all reviewers and critics do. Might I also add that he just started making videos in only over about a year or so time while people like the Nostalgia critic have been going on for even longer and even he had to start somewhere. I will also say that how he reviews is opinionated in some ways he has stated issues in episodes of different cartoons. He even has stated great things about shows he does like. Though I will say again he does have room for improvement there is in no need for all this constant backs and fourths. Though you all do have your own opinions on things he does to and he happens to be the one making the content that you all are highly judging based on your own opinions and I'm talking to both sides of this argument. No one is perfect and this world is a cruel place but we ourselves don't have to be.
That's all I have to say and it does seem that I was going around in circles in this comment but I was just want to say what I had to say.
I'll press this button! And it shall rain cake!...fiery cake! Muwhahahaha!
And now he's making a video about dealing with trolls! On one hand, what he's saying is very true... but if what he says to ignore them, why post a video about them in the first place?
A video on how to deal with trolls by someone who just proved themselves incapable of dealing with what they perceive to be a troll. Nice.
Maybe next week the Irate Gamer can make us a guide on non-plagiarism.
Now, now... he could have very well realized the error of his ways.
Alternately, he's doing this because he realizes that it'll make him look bad and people won't like him.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
FYI, the feud with the other reviewer {Said reviewer being Byter} is something that Mr. Enter considers an Old Shame, and when most of the videos he did about Byter were taken down {Due to youtube's crappy copyright system}, he didn't bother to put them back up on youtube or anywhere else.
I still want to know what the hell this guy did to him.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
I'm glad I'm not the only one who is sick of these arrogant manchild reviewers declaring every cartoon terrible just because it's actually for kids and not an adult show disguised as a kid show. It's part of the reason why I almost never watch cartoons nowadays, because the fans of these cartoons make me feel awkward to be interested in them. My childhood is over, and these reviewers need to understand that. Sadly though, I have to extend this annoyance to NC as well. Yes, he's made some funny videos but often his reviews for family films all boil down to "if it's trying to be as innovative and adult as possible, it's good. If it's for kids, it's really just for kids, so it's not that good." Like his review for Brother Bear. "Oh no! It has the happy singing voice of Phil Collins in it! And bears that are adventuring! And it's bright and colourful and full of witty humour! It's bad because kids will love this but I'm not a kid, so it sucks! But I like the opening and ending because kids won't understand that stuff."
@TT 454 I have a quote or two for you "Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence.", " When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." Both From C.S. Lewis.
The reason I bring those quotes up is because I think you need to grow up and if you want to watch a cartoon then watch it and the point critics like NC or Mr. Enter or any reviewer really is that it doesn't matter the medium or the target audience because you still have to give enough of a damn to make a good product be it a song, film or yes even a cartoon but since that isn't always the case, we have reviewers calling the result bad.
I was never in the Shivering Isles so any stories you hear are lies.
^ Sometimes, though, even if they do give a damn, the critics might hate the result anyway. Either they legitimately tried to make something good and failed at it, or they made something good and the critics don't like it for some reason.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Did you HAVE to quote C.S. Lewis?
Oh, and I need to grow up? You know what, I actually consider myself one of the most grown up people on the Internet. I look down upon most people on the Internet, in fact. I hardly ever want to watch cartoons; only the stuff from my childhood and the occasional animated movie, if it's good enough, like Monsters University (which was surprisingly great). My reasons for not wanting to watch cartoons is mainly due to the older fans, though. They are often so astoundingly immature, obsessing and arguing over the most pathetic of things. Just look at the worst fandom of all time, the brony fandom. The most obnoxious, ridiculous and absolutely insane fandom I have ever witnessed.
And yes, I know studios should try when making their products. I'm not saying they should release a bunch of crap. But let's face it - kids are undemanding. They can't help that; they're kids. They LOVE talking animals, gross-out shows, bright colours and slapstick. Critics like Mr. Enter and Nostalgia Critic seem to think that everything made for kids should be so overly adult that it's no longer for kids, but for adults. If kids love something, it's good enough, that's my philosophy. Not everything has to be high art. Not everything has to be made specifically for 25-year olds still clinging onto their fading childhood, desperate for something that reminds them of it. Hell, this was the moral of the Lego Movie. If it entertains kids, it's good enough, because it makes them happy; adults shouldn't try and ruin the fun by declaring that "Oh, I don't like it. Today's kids don't have what we had. Our childhood was so much better!"
^You say that like quoting C. S. Lewis is something that no one should ever do.
"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Also, Breadwinners wasn't made for kids first. It was published on Youtube for other animators, which aren't common among kids. So since the show does think that it can entertain adults, it still fails either way. Because according to reviews on Common Sense Media, the kids don't like it either. And you don't need to be a writer to recognize bad writing. That's saying that you need to be a chef to recognize bad cooking.
OK, look, half those reviews on Common Sense Media are from adults. Kids don't say stuff like "this episode is a ripoff of 'Imitation Krabs'!"
TT 454 is right, I tell ya what.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
I don't agree completely - there should be some quality control regarding kid's shows. But looking back on the shows I enjoyed as a kid (namely, the original 4kids Pokemon dub and Crush Gear Turbo), I can see that kids don't have preconceived notions of what's considered "good" or "deep" by adults yet. And honestly, there's nothing wrong with that - a kid's show can inform or entertain, and as long as it does one of the 2 then it's doing it's job properly. A show considered garbage by an adult is still doing something right if it's captivating its target audience.
Judging a kid's show on adult merits is like grading a kindergarten finger-painting as a high-school art piece.
^ Thank you for getting across a valuable message that needed to be said.
And I am in agreement with you. We don't need cheap, crappy, idiotic kids' toons, but most cartoons at least have some effort put into them.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
I don't recall NC ever criticizing something for being for kids. That isn't exactly something that's congruous with him waxing about 90s Disney tv cartoons, no...
Hello people again might I add to this conflict about Mr.Enter?
I'll press this button! And it shall rain cake!...fiery cake! Muwhahahaha!
You may.
On another note, I doubt Shota is really a troll or "playing the victim". ... since that post above, I think he/she has yet to return back!
91 comments? Wow, this got heated really fast.
It's a 4-month long conversation, I wouldn't call that fast.
Okay. Enter needs to end the "Feeling The Trolls" journals, because that is exactly what it's doing.
TT 454: "I actually consider myself one of the most grown up people on the Internet. I look down upon most people on the Internet, in fact." This is a massive sign of arrogance and general immaturity. Come back when you've pulled your head out of your ass.
Pannic, I remember a quote from NC that went like this "Now to be fair, this was probably made with a much younger audience in mind, but that's no excuse. Just because it was made for kids doesn't mean the writers shouldn't try. In fact, if you put effort into what you're creating, you can make anything good."
"They were legitimatlety scared by the guy Jinbo71"
What?
His Breadwinners review was flagged for copyright infringement. Did one of you file a DMCA claim against him?
I just realized that when I was looking through Breadwinners videos on YouTube. It seems the original short is gone as well.
I found a comment that says it wasn't really Viacom from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7m31oNjVus&list=UURQ4fsX6ofP2AJO-UBBwXPw). It says: "This wasn't really Viacom, it was YouTube bots that go around and search for matching content. The creator of the show can send a counter claim to YouTube themselves to get it unblocked." The person said it was true.
And after I researched more on YouTube bots claiming copyright infringement, I found an answer from Mark Moore on Yahoo! here: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140406012123AAlzPs3
I decided to check his DA journal entries to see what he's done recently, and I noticed something interesting.
.... the journal about Shota is gone. It's nowhere to be seen.
So what was that he was saying about "never taking down your work as a reaction to a troll" again?
I consider him taking that journal about Shota down as progress. Sort of. I mean it would be nice if he actually acknowledged that he was taking it down because he made a mistake instead of just deleting it with no explanation, which makes it look as if he's trying to pretend it never happened and therefore he never did anything wrong. But taking it down is still much better than leaving it up, so well done to him for that.
... wow this review comment thread TOLD A STORY, didn't it?? :D
...dafuck just went down here over these months. Holy hell.
My opinion on the guy has...withered a bit, to say the least. Still, I tend to like his reviews, and he seems to have improved after those troll-confronting and "troll"-confronting hiccups. Though I have to say a few of the detractors gave a...less-than-favorable view of his opposition. Then again, so did some of the fans.
Also, IIRC, one of his main arguments about reviewing kids' cartoons with heightened standards was that, according to him, "kids who watch crap become adults who watch crap". And... he could sorta be right there. Well, in my eyes he already is on that point.
Kids who don't watch crap generally grow up to watch crap anyway.
The fact is, kids don't have standards the way adults do. They'll watch anything, good or bad. After all, there might be some of you who enjoyed, say, one of the classic Cartoon Cartoons along with, say, a Disney direct-to-video sequel.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Just because they'll watch both doesn't mean they are unable to tell the difference. Even within the same show going through a bout of crappy writing, or in particular episodes being crud among better ones. Holding a kid's attention with a TV is almost too easy, because pretty colors and flashing images, why not give them something they can actually enjoy instead of just something that'll make the next 30 minutes pass by? Just giving them thoughtless drawings feels...sleazy. Like you don't actually care, you just want them off your hair/their parents' money, so let's give them this, let's waste their time/not make an effort.
I acknowledge the child won't really give much of a crap in that moment, but still, that feeling's still there. And the kid will most definitely realize it later, when they watch something good, then turn back to the previous one and start realizing why they don't like it as much.
Kids only realize when stuff is truly bad, I guess.
And most bad things have a lot of effort put into them. To actually find something with no effort put into it is rare.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
I don't know about recognizing when stuff is really bad, but I remember that I did recognize that Samurai Jack is the higher art of cartoons back when I was a kid.
Also, to address some of the complaints I've seen here, I must note that Mr Enter personally apologized in one of his later videos for lashing out on individual writers and telling bad things about them, and never did that since. And while I agree that he might have been going too far with that, he did have a bit of a point. After all, if you knew that someone thinks that driving people to suicide is funny and that you shouldn't be punished for it, and that it's something appropriate to show to little kids, would YOU let them anywhere near professional writing? Or anywhere near other people, for that matter?
Casey Alexander admitted that that wasn't what he was trying to do and said he was sorry to anyone who was offended. Doesn't make up for the harassment he underwent.
Keep in mind, suicide jokes used to be widespread in cartoons way back when.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
And y'know Aldo, some of the harassment may still be recent. Because a girl named Melanie or @meloncorn888 admitted that people should still harass Alexander until he admits he had gone too far... even though he apparently admitted he had gone too far.
He at least said that he's sorry if anyone was offended by the cartoon, but still... my God! What the hell's wrong with these people?! Can't they just leave the poor guy alone?!
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Aldo, probably because they believe that their childhoods are ruined and think that kids today are subjected to crap. So they have to find someone who made their favorite shows become "crap" ands speak their minds directly towards him/her. And through Mr. Enter, they found Casey.
It's still just... utterly wrong. Harassing somebody because they wrote something you didn't like is wrong, and they ought to know that.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
I was trying to make a joke there. But yeah, if these guys are so desperate to have their childhoods back, then the writers would be wise old men, regardless of how crude their material is.
Yeah, I remember that argument I had with Melanie. She was a fucking asshole. I blocked her, and so should everyone else who has spoken to her in that discussion. It'll help everyone keep some sort of faith in humanity.
Well, I watched his "Top 25 Modern SpongeBob Episodes" and you know what? I forgive him.
Wait, no that's not right. What I should say is, I'm sorry. I really am.
Nostalgia Critic? Mature?
Excuse me while my sides ascend to a higher plain of existence.
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...Why is this a comparison that's made?
NC is a showman. He's an actor, if you will. He's not really a critic as much as a comedian using the critic role as a way to make fun videos.
When it comes to analysis or getting themes or anything of the sort, you can just look at any "Sibling Rivalry" review and you will realize that his brother is significantly better at that kind of thing(Or the Nostalgia Chick, who is FAR better at it than both Walker brothers, but kinda boring to watch).
I love the Nostalgia Critic, but I realize that his "reviews" are not so much reviews as a way for him to make funny content.
Enter isn't an actor/comedian, so the comparison is kinda eh.
- reads title* So exactly like the Nostalgia Critic?
I respect your viewpoint (even as a Mr. Enter fan myself), but I don\'t think I would describe the Nostalgia Critic (of whom I\'m also a fan) as \"mature\" (and it\'s not like NC doesn\'t have his moments of flying off the handle or attacking creators or actors personally (Michael Bay, Tara Reid, Kristen Stewart, etc.), which is something Mr. Enter, in his defense, has stopped doing.
The Nostalgia Critic is \'mature\'? Pffffft! Thanks for the laugh. The Nostalgia Critic stopped being mature ages ago and his incessant use of insisting on being heterosexual, his repeated slut-shaming or Madonna/Whore complex thing... yeah, I wouldn\'t call the Critic mature. Never was, if you look back at his older videos, either.
The only way that he\'s like the Nostalgia Critic is in that they both have review web shows featuring a caustic critic. Other than that there\'s really no significant similarities.
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It's like the Nostalgia Critic... except not funny, mature, or entertaining.
I'm going to come out and say it. I HATE Mr. Enter. I hate his pretentious attitude and his pretentious reviews. His series is a lot like The Nostalgia Critic, but with some key differences. To demonstrate, take Nostalgia Critic, and do the following:
What particularly irks me is his desire for Nick TO DIE, just because he doesn't like their programming. I don't care if he said that they should "re-prioritize" in a later video, he did the damage. And he acts shocked that Breadwinners dare be the #1 show for kids. Did it ever occur to him that it was made FOR KIDS FIRST, and not all kids consider it the animated equivalent of being treated like a retard, and that they (and even some adults) just genuinely enjoy it for what it is? Wishing death upon the people who make it and insulting their fans is the most immature, biased thing you can do in a review.
I will admit that other review shows I like (such as NC and The Angry Video Game Nerd) are guilty of this, they are at least entertaining, and don't make the fans of the works they critique feel bad for liking it, and Doug Walker and James Rolfe have established themselves as a Mean Character, Nice Actor, while I can't be sure if Enter is an example or not.
In short, if your looking for smart, mature discussion on animation that won't make you feel guilty for liking something, this is NOT the show you're looking for.