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majohe
topic
08:21:03 AM Dec 22nd 2012
Well, they've open the page now. So could we all play nice, so the page doesn't get locked again.
tsstevens
04:43:32 PM Dec 23rd 2012
Absolutely. The reason for it being locked before was confusion over YMMV tropes as well as a refusal to move them rather than just delete them. Since then those issues should well have been resolved.
LightningStorm93
topic
03:41:33 AM Oct 22nd 2012
Would it be possible for someone to add a Heel-Face Turn entry? After his genuine showing concern for Jerry Lawler, he's pretty much gone back to being a Face commentator now - especially since JBL has been joining the booth.
majohe
02:46:15 AM Oct 23rd 2012
edited by majohe
I've added some stuff in the Character page for WWE commentators since he's listed there including his Heel-Face Turn, less of a hassle, might as well add Mean Character, Nice Actor.

I hope the mods will open the page for him, they did for Cena, as the edit war that was didn't continue over there, and might not happen for this page either now that he has turned face, and are more neutral in his commentating.
tsstevens
10:59:29 PM Dec 1st 2012
It's never going to happen, far as I understand. The mods even had to be convinced to not redlink it based on earlier edit requests. Still you could appeal to have the page unlocked.
edara
topic
07:51:45 AM Sep 11th 2012
edited by edara
I think somebody needs to add in an entry for Mean Character, Nice Actor. On the September 10, 2012 broadcast, Jerry Lawler had suffered a heart attack while doing commentary on a tag team match. And as a sign of respect for Jerry, he refused to do commentary for the rest of the broadcast. He went on to give sporadic updates throughout the rest of the broadcast. This may qualify for Heartwarming or Tearjerker.
tsstevens
11:00:40 PM Dec 1st 2012
See below, I tried before and Fighteer flatly refused and said the page should be red linked.
hillraiser2011
topic
09:14:43 AM Dec 20th 2011
If anything, Cole's trope page should be unlocked just for the massive Villainous Breakdown he had on the 12/19/2011 Raw show to be included. I honestly thought the guy was going to have an aneurysm in his announcer's chair.
tsstevens
12:49:07 AM Jan 8th 2012
I don't think it ever will be, as I suggested several positive edits (such as Mean Character, Nice Actor) and was turned down cold. Given the hatred the site staff have for the page I even suggested it be moved to the Permanent Redlink Club.
Cider
topic
04:56:48 PM Dec 14th 2011
Changing "The Internet" to "The ICW" is missing the point. Don't you people watch the show? He spent the first two seasons of NXT blabbing about how internet made that loser Daniel Bryan and the Midget Kaval.

It's reduced a little now with his self promoting of his twitter trends, even if Michael Cole needs to shut up is what's trending but the example should still be

  • The Internet and the hot tip should say "or at least the ICW".
Boober
topic
01:24:57 PM Oct 19th 2011
Someone needs to change the references to Bryan Danielson to Daniel Bryan. It's inconsistent constantly changing between the two, and even if Danielson is his real name, all of his interaction with Michael Cole was while playing the Daniel Bryan character. I know he was called that in the indys and the Daniel Brya name is stupid, but it's his WWE name and this is a WWE article.

It's the equivalent of going to the Family Matters page and referring to Steve Urkel as Jaleel White. Or, hell, going to Edge's page and calling him Adam Copeland or Sexton Hardcastle when describing tropes related to the Edge character.
Lionheart0
topic
07:45:07 PM May 30th 2011
Can we add Status Quo Is God. Following his feud with Lawler, he went back to being a relatively neutral (save for being a Miz-fanboy) PBP Commentator again. From the looks of it, it's actually going to stick.
The_Reptile_
07:54:34 PM Jun 4th 2011
Actually, he's reverted to his Pre-TLC Heel persona. It's a pretty drastic change he's gone through over the past few months, isn't it?
ChrisDV
topic
03:34:35 PM May 23rd 2011
Can we add this to Laser-Guided Karma & below that, the Humiliation Conga trope?
  • His match with Jerry Lawler at WWE Over The Limit 2011.

  • Humiliation Conga: WWE Over The Limit 2011 was this - Cole tries to weasel out of his "Kiss My Foot" match with Jerry Lawler with a note from his doctor, only for the referee to tear it up; Lawler throws Cole theough the side of his "Colemine" & defeats him in a Curb-Stomp Battle; brings Eve Torres & Jim Ross to the ring, to hit Cole with a moonsault & pour BBQ sauce on him; and when Cole tries to get out of kissing King's foot, Bret Hart comes out & drags him back to the ring, before putting Cole in the Sharpshooter whilst King forced Cole to kiss his foot.
Runaway
06:56:58 PM May 25th 2011
Should add easily forgiven as a sub trope considering the King accepted his apology the next night on Raw.
Godzillawolf
06:23:44 PM May 27th 2011
Not quite, whil King did accept it, he continued to humiliate him the rest of the night and it continued to the next Smackdown. I say yeah.
Lionheart0
topic
08:43:25 AM Mar 8th 2011
Can someone add Villainous Breakdown to the page? He suffered one after realizing Austin would be the Special Guest Referee at his Wrestlemania match.
tsstevens
01:43:24 AM Mar 15th 2011
There's half a dozen tropes that would fit at the moment, from Growing the Beard to Seven Year Rule to Big Bad. Fighter however hates the page, he'd love to add it to the permanent redlink group, and there'd been a recent edit made. I say let's wait until after WrestleMania, then we can add Austin's or maybe John Cena's Face-Heel Turn or whatever transpires in one neat little package.
The_Reptile_
02:24:09 PM Mar 15th 2011
I realize that it's under Fridge Brilliance and Author Avatar, but I think it'd also be a good idea to put Expy under there, since WWE's obviously trying to turn Cole into the next Mr. Mc Mahon character, no matter how bad it's failing.
Godzillawolf
05:34:51 PM Apr 12th 2011
However, I think that his reaction to Jerry defeating Jack Swagger defiantly counts as a Villainous Breakdown. He pretty much goes from a Smug Snake straight to dumbstruck shock (though that might be more like a Villainous BSOD) to blowing up on Jack Swagger, at the moment his only supporter, and slapping him (which comes back to hunt him severely).

At the very least, the moment should go under Oh Crap, as his face in both the realization Jack lost and that Jack, who he just infuriated, is going to be his tag partner in the match are very good examples of Oh Crap.
Godzillawolf
topic
06:30:14 AM Feb 23rd 2011
I think someone needs Bullying The Dragon to this artical that can, in refrence to Cole's insults to Jerry. Cole fits the role as he's verbally abusing someone who could beat the stuffing out of him if he got the chance.
tsstevens
01:14:46 PM Feb 23rd 2011
If it were John Cena I'd have already requested it. King...yeah, with his world champion shots this would qualify. Discuss it here.
Godzillawolf
05:48:27 PM Apr 12th 2011
Perhaps we should add his snapping on Jack Swagger as this. Because Jack was literally his Dragon and it backfired majorly.
Phrederic
topic
10:34:55 PM Feb 15th 2011
Can we add some of the Rock's epic beatdown on Cole to his quote page? I mean, it is relevant and topical.
tsstevens
11:55:39 PM Feb 15th 2011
edited by tsstevens
If you can find it post it here. If it's not too much of a Take That on Cole then we'd be happy to have it up.

Edit: Found what you were talking about. It's funny, and it shows Cole's character well. However I think this would be more befitting a Crowning Moment Of Awesome\Crowning Moment O Funny entry for Dwayne Johnson.
Lionheart0
topic
09:05:04 AM Feb 11th 2011
So, I take it the editing war led to the page getting locked?
tsstevens
09:35:27 PM Feb 12th 2011
Yeah. We want to keep it neutral and warts & all, if Michael Cole lovers don't mind. Lying about moving subjective tropes was the last straw, thus the entries that were deleted were moved and the page locked.
IMBoring
03:07:43 PM Feb 13th 2011
edited by IMBoring
You're the one who kept putting subjective tropes back in the main page when you weren't supposed to. Also, "lying"? I wasn't lying about moving subjective tropes, I was TELLING people to move them.

At any rate, the subjective tropes are where they belong. So the page and the matter are closed for now.
tsstevens
12:18:51 PM Feb 14th 2011
You couldn't move them to YMMV because...why, exactly?
IMBoring
10:16:06 AM Feb 19th 2011
Dude, just drop it already.
tsstevens
01:21:41 PM Feb 19th 2011
I'm just wondering why if it bothered you to the point where you deleted negative tropes from the YMMV page and lied about moving tropes from the main page why you couldn't have fixed it yourself? Why did someone else had to do it?
IMBoring
08:07:27 PM Feb 26th 2011
edited by IMBoring
Because not everyone has all the time in the world to spend on their computer. And again, it was YOU who decided to keep shoving subjective tropes back on the main page, so don't talk to me about lying. I deleted and put in the edit notes which should be moved, I was not lying about moving them.
tsstevens
08:14:50 PM Feb 26th 2011
You couldn't take five seconds to move them to the YMMV page? I find that curious since you seem to have a vested interest in removing anything negative about Cole, even if it is on the YMMV page.
IMBoring
08:21:19 PM Feb 26th 2011
edited by IMBoring
Because I have spent plenty of that other time trying to edit out other subjective tropes from other pages here on TV Tropes. Like I said, I don't get that much time on here, so I make do with the time I have.

I personally find it curious that you had a vested interest in stuffing subjective tropes back in when you're not supposed to. As well as you squatting on this page. Like I said, the issue is over now. Drop. It.
tsstevens
09:48:47 PM Feb 26th 2011
Look, um, clearly the fact the page is not a shrine to Cole upsets you. It's apparent to me that it bothers you if you see fit to continue this edit war on other pages. Would you like me to make a fan site for him? Would that make up for the page being locked enough for you?
IMBoring
10:14:59 PM Feb 26th 2011
edited by IMBoring
It's apparent to me that you have a problem with objectivity. How about we put all the subjective tropes on the main page again so it can be as biased as possible. Would that make you happy?

I was talking about other pages such as trope lists and show pages. I have never said one way or the other that I am a fan or anti-fan of him. So nice of you to make baseless assumptions. You're not supposed to put subjective tropes on the main page. It's the same thing with all the other pages on TV Tropes, some of which I've already edited.

I've done the same thing with other pages, but because I hurt your street cred by taking off the subjective tropes you insisted belong on this page, despite the YMMV edict, that means I want the page to be a shrine? Get over yourself.

Now, for the last time, just drop it. This isn't going anywhere.
tsstevens
04:02:25 AM Feb 27th 2011
edited by tsstevens
Part of the problem lay in initially having difficulty understanding the new YMMV guidelines, so I'm sorry if that offends you. I'm also sorry if for some reason you are offended by the notion that subjctive tropes are to be moved, not deleted. Doing so is just as bad as leaving them on the main page, if not worse.

For the record, I have been on a rampage against subjective tropes on the main page. If you care to look I have also been discussing which tropes would go on Cole's page.
Lionheart0
topic
10:25:53 AM Oct 18th 2010
Deleted a couple of things like The Scrappy because over the past few weeks it's been enforced that those shouldn't be on the main page.
IMBoring
07:18:15 PM Jan 21st 2011
Deleted Dethroning Moment of Suck and the Wesley. Come on, where's the YMMV page?
tsstevens
12:42:57 PM Jan 23rd 2011
edited by tsstevens
Wild Mass Guessing is that Cole is Vince Mcmahon's Author Avatar, thus he is being pushed as a heel. If fans hate the egotism, the Daniel Bryan bashing, then Cole will be flanderizd into that role. Thus, WWE are shilling heel Cole because the fans hate him.
IMBoring
12:53:58 AM Jan 24th 2011
Which still belongs on a YMMV page, because it's a subjective trope.
tsstevens
01:17:01 PM Jan 25th 2011
edited by tsstevens
Cole, I know you might be upset about some of the tropes about you. I understand that you may feel offended about the way your character is portrayed, or that the WWE universe is not throwing themselves at your feet because of how brilliant, how inspired, how utterly groundbreaking your current angle is. However there are some aspects of your gimmick that not only spring forth tropes that are seemingly negative, not everybody is going to enjoy your act. Now we have shifted some of the tropes about you to YMMV, but please Cole. For the sake of this wiki this is not a fan page. It's an honest and accurate portrayal of what we see on TV.
IMBoring
03:38:50 PM Jan 27th 2011
edited by IMBoring
Read the guidlines again, dude. It doesn't matter if that's how his "character" is. This is supposed to be a neutral page. That's why there are YMMV pages.
tsstevens
04:32:13 PM Jan 27th 2011
1. There's zero tolerance on editing other people's posts. Absolutely zilch. Zip. None. It's pretty much an autoban.

2. ''There are certain characters who receive a lot of hatred from the majority of the fanbase for one reason or another. Most often, when their creators pick up on the hate, it's either ignored, results in the character being changed for the better, or sometimes, played into. There are times, however, when it becomes obvious that at least one writer has become attached to a hated character, writing them into more and more scenes, giving them more and more important things to do, having the other characters rave about how awesome they are and sometimes even making them the proxy voice of the author, all while blissfully ignoring the fact that the fans absolutely goddamned hate this character.''

This seems rather accurate for Cole.

3. I've taken the issue to Ask The Tropers, the issue can be resolved there.
shimaspawn
moderator
08:03:37 PM Jan 27th 2011
Don't edit each other's posts, and The Wesley does not belong on the main page no matter how appropriate you think it is. Subjective tropes go on the YMMV page and The Wesley is YMMV.
tsstevens
08:36:43 PM Jan 27th 2011
Yes, thank you, we know now. All subjective tropes have been moved, and will be moved if any are posted in the future, thanks.
Lionheart0
topic
08:16:49 AM Sep 17th 2010
Just a little issue with the page. I know Michael Cole isn't the most popular figure in the WWE, but doesn't the page come off as a little too much "Bashing the Character?" I mean even pages on Vince Mc Mahon or Triple H, as much controversy as they bring, remains neutral. I think the same should be for Cole, regardless of how many people dislike.
DrFrank
09:56:02 AM Sep 17th 2010
I agree. There's also some arguments and a link in favour of Cole, but the page still seems like a one-way argument.
Lionheart0
01:32:20 PM Sep 17th 2010
I deleted majority of the bashing and added things like "Your Mileage May Vary" and the Picture caption to show that he is still divisive figure. Hopefully this is a good middle ground.
65.67.114.180
07:38:16 AM Oct 5th 2010
Well, at least you're better then that guy on the Cena page who deletes the stuff without any comprising. I still don't like Cole though and wished that Edge speared him into next week.
tsstevens
05:30:50 PM Jan 13th 2011
Me? I don't know if any of this is directed at me but I'm just calling it as I see it. I see Cole as The Wesley because it does seem like the WWE are pushing him precisely because of the X-Pac Heat he has.
Aurabolt
07:14:06 PM Mar 14th 2011
edited by Aurabolt
Remove the lock. NOW. He just beat up JR. He deserves everything the Fan Hate can deal out. At the very least, give him a damn Kick the Dog like he deserves.
Surenity
02:35:23 AM Apr 5th 2011
There's something ironically hilarious about his page being locked. It's like the TV Tropes equivelant to the Cole Mine. Cole himself wouldn't have it any other way.
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