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08:59:40 PM Oct 31st 2014
edited by Dawnwing
I originally posted this on the 0-G Discussion since it was in response to frequent edits to the Career-Ending Injury trope, but now that that page has been moved to "0 to G" and because I've seen it pop up on other pages, I'll just put it here on the main discussion page for later reference:

"Arrow in the knee" is not real Norse slang for getting married. Apparently the line was added in the game as a reference to the fact that Skyrim did not have greaves, as Oblivion did. You can find people saying that that's why it's there as early as late November or early December 2011, shortly after the game was released. Whether that is true or not, I'm not certain.

But anyway, as far as it meaning "getting married", that's only started to be passed around since May 5 2013 (this Tumblr post, posted May 6, seems to be the one that most people are linking to.) If you do some searching online, you'll find plenty of Norwegians saying that it's not a real phrase, they've never heard it before. I've also seen a couple places say that it doesn't even work as a phrase in Scandinavian languages due to the wording. This person did three hours of research and didn't find anything about it meaning "getting married".

"Arrow in the knee = getting married" appears to have originated as a theory/joke that someone posted on Reddit in August 2012.

EDIT: Apparently they just added it as something to give the guards more personality. And here is the guy who wrote the line explaining it.
02:20:01 PM Jul 18th 2014
Faendal's name translates to "Fuckdale" in Norwegian (context: "Fuck!"). Can anyone identify what trope(s) this is?
03:18:50 PM Jul 18th 2014
08:53:10 PM Jul 18th 2014
I was initially leaning towards Getting Crap Past the Radar or something like that.
11:03:47 AM Mar 26th 2014
The Gauldur Amulet, in game it gives you 30 point boost to magicka, health and stamina, In the in game material its made out to be artifact of doom. Is this an existing trope?
09:27:13 AM Sep 6th 2013
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Placing here for all the references throughout the Skyrim subpages I'm editing out: I asked Matt Grandstaff, the community manager at the official Bethesda Game Studios forum about just when Serana was put away. She was put away during the Second Era Interregnum, as per Word of God.


Editing out all references to now verifiably inaccurate "Pre-Alessia" theories... Feel free to nix any I miss.
11:04:24 PM Aug 29th 2012
So, i've been looking, and i can't find it, even though it gets a passing glance on this Wiki. Supposedly, you can actually sequence break get a dragon shout before completing the Main Story line quest that unlocks it.

So, how? I mean, all you really need is a Dragon and a Word. Getting a Word is easy, but finding a dragon soul before you the quest at whiterun is pretty much impossible, isn't it? can anybody tell me how to do this? or at least link me to someone whose figured it out?
06:01:21 PM Feb 20th 2013
You can't. Dragons do not spawn at all until you complete Dragon Rising. They won't even appear on the dragon roosts until you've finished that quest.
05:09:26 PM Jun 6th 2012
I was completing the first Dark Brotherhood quest, where you have to kill Grelond the Kind and so I did. The children went so happy, that I killed the other woman, who was running around circles yelling 'mercy!'. The kids started to hate me. I didn't knew what went wrong. Do you?
07:28:25 AM Jun 26th 2012
Well she wasn't really a target. You kinda just murdered an innocent, non-abusive teacher in front of them...
09:14:05 PM Nov 28th 2013
Go back to assassin school, you get an "F-" in Reconnaissance.

Seriously, observe Grelod's behavior versus the other lady's. The difference between them is crystal clear.
12:51:41 PM Feb 3rd 2016
Looking at this years back, I finally realized what I did was wrong and simply my stupid mistake. Note to myself: Never play video games under the effects of alcohol.
12:23:08 PM Mar 20th 2012
To whoever is making these entries, why is it so notable that you can't marry the cat-people and the lizard people? Do you really want that so badly? Do you really think Bethesda wants to go there? Is it really all that amazing that they don't want something in their game that could easily be mistaken for beastiality?
12:27:50 PM Mar 20th 2012
I find it notable that you can't marry a hagraven.

You can have a one night stand with one but you can't make her an honest woman. Tsk Tsk.
08:25:22 AM May 5th 2012
uh you can marry the "lizard People" in game with out cheats its the bosmer that you cant marry along with khajits
09:07:17 AM Sep 17th 2012
I know this is late, but you can be an Argonian or Khajit and marry a human. I don't think the "bestiality" issue is why you can't marry any Argonians or Khajits – it's probably just because there are so few characters of those races in the game anyway.
09:18:29 PM Nov 28th 2013
You CAN marry an Argonian. My first-playthrough Dragonborn is happily hitched to Shahvee and has two adopted girls.

My 'sensible' guess is that there was only so much time to get all the recorded lines done.

My semi-WMG guess is that the gamedevs didn't want to attract a horde of crazy catgirl fans if they had an 'official' marriageable Khajit. Seriously.
05:18:27 PM Mar 2nd 2012
This line:

The Dunmer are very Jewish when one looks at the lore and history, despite their British Accents.

I really can't think of anything the jewish and the dunmer have in common. There is no promised land, the messiah has already come and gone, there is no singular god, they're legendary assasins clad in bones, they have a connection to the moon and are slavers. Maybe the whole 'driven out of country and live in ghettos in other country' applies, but that is not exactly unique to the jewish. If no one objects, I will delete the entry.
01:47:52 PM Sep 9th 2012
Not the religion; historically. They're pushed off into a ghetto where many of them develop their own racism and culture.
07:44:02 PM Oct 26th 2012
There's more parallels than that. For example: -They were lead out of their homeland by a prophet named Veloth, who led them on an exodus to the promised land of morrowind. (i.e. Moses) -They're homeland was destroyed, which created a huge diaspora of displaced dunmer. -As you mentioned, they now live in ghettos and face a great deal of discrimination.
12:22:51 PM Feb 11th 2012
Why is Alduin's name such an important spoiler? It's not like it's a twist or something! It'd be like spoilering Tai Lung's name or Sephiroth's name or maybe Frieza's name!
12:35:18 PM Feb 11th 2012
Probably because if you actually pay close attention, he's SUPPOSED to be dead and the fact that the World-Eater is alive is supposed to be a surprise... but if you don't read any books or listen to random people, then it's no big deal. It's just "oh, another dragon. Okay, when can I kill it?"
01:53:12 PM Mar 27th 2012
Though the surprise was already ruined for everyone who uses subtitles.
09:57:58 AM Feb 6th 2012
Why was Dangerously Genre Savvy removed?
02:24:06 PM Feb 6th 2012
It was replaced by Death by Genre Savviness, which seems a more fitting trope.
05:29:59 PM Feb 1st 2012
in the "dev team think of everything" entry it says

"Casting Calm or Courage on an NPC is a good way to grind your Illusion skill. However, try casting Calm on Colette at the College of Winterhold; her response will make you feel dirty."

I cant get it on my save because people level to your level when you first met them, and I meet Colette at about level 15, (calm only works to lvl 6-ish)

what exactly is the quote?
01:48:11 PM Feb 8th 2012
"Stop that! I will not be violated by some...half-Septim magician!"
11:50:14 AM Jan 29th 2012
Is "fus ro dah" pronounced more clearly in-game? Because I feel like the spelling should practically count as an Informed Attribute, judging by the 9001 meme videos on youtube which use the trailer audio. Ascended Meme has this being hollared like something out of Dragonball - "FUSSSSSS ROOOOOOO DAAAAAAAAH!" - yet every single video makes it sound more like "FUSDAH", and that's being generous. It's definitely NOT three syllables.
12:06:30 PM Feb 7th 2012
Yes it is.
09:26:11 PM Feb 27th 2012
To clarify, if you don't have all the three words of power of the Unrelenting Force shout yet (which you will get some time late in the main quest from one of the Greybeards), or if you use a weak version of the shout (by hitting the shout key quickly instead of holding it), you'll hear "FUSDAH". Use it at full power once you learn all the three words, and you hear "FUSSSSSS ROHDAHHHHHH!" This also applies to every shout.
01:48:46 PM Jul 19th 2012
The full Shout sounds more like Fuus... RODAH! Most Shouts, when you learn all three words tend to hold the first word a little longer, then pause, then Shout the last two words in quick succession.
07:27:12 PM Jan 22nd 2012
edited by random1
Is there any evidence that the Forsworn are "genocidally racist"?

[Quote: You can side with the Forsworn who are genocidally racist.] According to the in-game book _The Bear of Markarth_, from 4E 174-176 the Forsworn ruled over the Reach fairly. They committed "some crimes" often [against those Nords] accused of being the harshest towards their native workers". That would be a far cry from genocide. According to the book, it was Ulfric, not the Forsworn, who committed war crimes.

I realize that in-game books aren't always accurate but what evidence is there that this book is not accurate? What evidence is there that the Forsworn are genocidal?
12:33:22 PM Feb 11th 2012
This is late, but...

They basically want to kill EVERYONE in Markarth. The feeling I got from talking with the King In Rags is that he wouldn't even want to stop there, if he had the manpower. Though maybe "genocidal" isn't the right term. He's not out to kill any one people, just anyone in and around his territory, be they nord, redguard, elven, kajit, breton, or what have you.
07:43:29 AM Mar 3rd 2012
Even in the game, Madanach's crew only went after the Silver-Bloods and their hired thugs whilst breaking out of Cidhna Mine. They're not genocidal racists, they're a resistance group slipping into motiveless banditry.
09:28:38 PM Apr 25th 2012
The Forsworn themselves all but outright say that they're going to kill as many Nords as they can while you're visiting in Cidnha Mine.
09:24:33 PM Nov 28th 2013
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They're "stab first, ask questions never" rebels without a cause AT BEST, and bandits in throwback outfits by any lawful measure. The tribal culture they run on is horribly brutal and backwards, and if by some horror they 'won', the Aldmeri Dominion would briefly thank the Forsworn for clearing out Skyrim for them before marching in themselves.
11:30:58 AM Jan 6th 2012
Removed YMMV Natter from the YMMV page, moved to discussion.

  • There are also those who are quite enamored that the buggy Gamebryo engine is finally gone.
    • The game actually still uses the Gamebyro engine, just one that was adjusted and improved to the point that "by the time we got through it all, it was clear the technology was new enough to give it its own name, The Creation Engine". Upon release, bug reports are still growing and growing.
    • It's a new engine. It's not like Gamebryo is the only video game engine that has bugs in it.
      • Bugs aren't the only thing showing that it is the same engine. The quote from Todd Howard above proves it is the same engine, just improved. In addition, nearly all mods for Oblivion transfer perfectly to Skyrim.
      • Put it this way: If it really is a brand new, built-from-scratch engine, then Bethsoft have spent an incredible amount of time and effort painstakingly reproducing Gamebryo's many shortcomings.
        • Gamebryo isn't a full "does everything" game engine — it's a middleware rendering engine. Bugs unrelated to graphics won't go away just because a game stops using Gamebryo.
  • And that the Oblivion-style level scaling isn't going to be used.
    • Then players hit level 30 and watched bandits and half-naked cultists annihilate groups of dragons and giants....then again though, compared to bandits jumping you wielding Daedric armour while you had steel....
    • To be fair, you do tend to outgrow most enemies, its just that there is always one person who will cause a little bit of trouble in the groups, and most of them dont really have the power to keep up with the DOVAHKIN.

This isn't a forum, okay?

03:42:30 PM Dec 27th 2011
How are the guardian stones the Artifact? They still fit the theme of the world, they've just been modified for a changing game.
01:33:58 PM Dec 27th 2011
The famous memetic mutation is actually "I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee."
04:40:45 PM Dec 21st 2011
Author Existence Failure says on the trope page that it is trivia, and nothing in it mentions examples within works. Do the dwemer really fit under it, and if not, should we create a trope that is author existence failure in universe?
12:06:07 PM Feb 7th 2012
How could the Dwemer fit under Author Existence Failure? They didn't create the universe, they just (probably) tried to recreate themselves and winked out of existence. Might qualify but I'd hesitate to include it.
10:55:40 AM Dec 17th 2011
Are the constellations actual anthropomorphic personifications? I thought the idea that they govern the skills was closer to astrology than intelligent beings in control.
06:51:44 AM Dec 18th 2011
Wow, I was tired when I wrote that, no wonder it doesn't make sense.

What I meant was that under Anthropomorphic Personification it says that the skills are controlled by the constellations/ guardian nebula. I was under the impression this was a combination of astrology and finding constellations like the ancient Greeks did, but this is Tamriel, so they could be actual Anthropomorphic Personifications. Any info one way or another?
05:20:51 PM Mar 2nd 2012
Nope, they're little holes through oblivion that seep magic into the world of mortals.
07:48:56 AM Dec 16th 2011
This is more out of idle curiosity than intent, but do tropes found in the books in Skyrim go on the main page, and if not where do they go?
08:00:34 AM Dec 16th 2011
Yeah they do go there.
08:09:38 AM Dec 16th 2011
12:11:30 PM Jan 8th 2012
Although it is late, they should probably not go on Skyrim's main page if they have been shared with more than other game in the series. Certainly, the ones that have been around since Daggerfall would fit better with the dedicated Tropes page for In-Game Elder Scrolls Books.
06:36:31 PM Dec 14th 2011
I've removed the following twice:
  • Referenced by the fact that their ancestry is completely unique from every other race; they are from a Lost Continent which was destroyed by a series of natural disasters in ancient times. Therefore they share no connection whatsoever with any of the other human races (who are all descended from people who came from Atmora.)

This goes right under the line about the Redguards being based on Moorish people. How does ANY of this reference the Moors? Were they from a lost continent? No. Were they descended from another species? NO. How the HELL does this "refrence" them.

On top of that, it's natter.
12:04:39 PM Feb 7th 2012
edited by BaronPraxis
The Redguards? Well I can't say for sure that they were moors (if anything their culture seems more Arabic/Persian to me). But they were from a lost continent, Yokuda. And it was destroyed (in fact the Redguards hold themselves responsible). And since all other humans came from Atmora in the north and not Yokuda in the west, they are different from the other races of men (even though they are still considered man). Happy studying and do keep your temper in check.
08:05:48 AM Dec 9th 2011
Just a minor bit of discussion here, I added a point for Bitch in Sheep's Clothing for Saadia from the "In My Time of Need" quest yesterday, which was later removed by Troper/Zaptech with the point, "Yes, they are trying to kill her. That method may be dragging her back for an execution, but they're still going to effectively kill her."

Any thoughts on this? Quest spoilers - The Alik'r claim that Saadia sold out some Hammerfell resistance to the Thalmor, being in the high position she was in to pull it off and benefit from it. When the resistance remained strong and found out (in comparison to just about everywhere else in Tamriel), she was accused of treason. When you meet her, she claims otherwise and acts as the hunted.

Maybe it's a subjective quest, I don't know. I thought she still played the part initially as far as I've read on the Wiki.
06:38:53 PM Dec 9th 2011
In this particular quest, Bitch in Sheep's Clothing is subjective. Personally, I think that she was lying and that she did do what she was being accused of, but it's important to remember that the information that's used against her on the talk pages of the elder scroll wikis are fan speculation because the game never tells you what the "correct" choice is. It is up to the player to decide who is telling the truth and, for all we know, she was innocent all along and the other guy is just very good at manipulating others.
10:15:37 PM Dec 6th 2011
Do the Stormcloaks really fit La Résistance? I know they are in rebellion, but the situation is closer to a real war rather than an underground movement fighting an oppressor. If they're La Resitance, so were the Americans in the Revolutionary War.
12:28:12 AM Dec 3rd 2011
Since it's been added and removed twice now, I think we need consensus on whether the idea that The Silver Hand might be vampires based on some vague in-game evidence (specifically that you can find vampire dust on some of their corpses) can go on the main page or should be relegated to WMG. Personally I think that's enough to qulify the idea as more than a fan theory, but not enough to outright say that they are or aren't.
03:46:47 AM Dec 3rd 2011
edited by Ghilz
Never found any Vampire Dust on their corpses and I am on my third playthrough with the Companions. Also they never use the vampire health drain ability (which Vampires often make liberal use of). Carrying vampire dust doesn't make one a vampire necessarily (Case and point, the player).

Lastly, there could be a simple In-Universe reason for them to carry vampire dust. It's one of the ingredients for "Cure Disease" and since some strains of Lycantropy, (like the ones from Daggerfall, and there's other references to Daggerfall-type Lycanthropy in the game like the re-appearance of Glenmoril witches and their ties to the cure) are communicable as a disease, them having liberal caches of the potion and its ingredients make sense.
04:45:56 AM Dec 3rd 2011
They carry random alchemy ingredients that cure disease. One of these is Vampire Dust.
10:18:22 AM Dec 3rd 2011
edited by RedViking
Plus it's not that far of a stretch to assume that The Silver Hand hunts vampires in addition to werewolves, which also explains why they have Vampire Dust. I once found Vampire Dust on a pile of ash in a locked cage in one of their strongholds, but even the implication of vampire prisoners is debatable since you don't actually see any locked up vampires as you do werewolves. Or, at least I never did.

Point being, the in-game evidence is vague at best and I don't think there's enough there to conclusively state that The Silver Hand is the vampire equivalent of The Companions. For that reason, it should be in WMG.
08:24:26 PM Dec 4th 2011
You cannot contract sanguinare vampiris (the Skyrim version of porphyric hemophilia, the disease that all vampires carry and can communicate to the PC, which turns them into a vampire) from Silver Hand members. Moreover, silver hand members can be encountered outdoors in daytime and are not significantly weaker than they would be at night or indoors. From that, it can be safely assumed silver hand members aren't vampires.
05:18:44 PM Apr 22nd 2012
Also, they show up if you use detect life. Vampires don't.
12:42:04 PM Dec 2nd 2011
I'm seeing some confusing statements about dragons, especially under Instant Awesome: Just Add Dragons!, which says the dragons encountered are lesser Aedric souls possessing Akaviri dragon skeletons. Is this ever mentioned in the game itself? And isn't it kind of Jossed by the appearance of Parthurnaax, a dragon from the old war that still survives?
01:38:16 PM Feb 8th 2012
I have no idea where they're getting this crap from.
08:04:12 PM Oct 26th 2012
No. There's a popular theory that dragons are lesser et'ada, but I have no idea where the skeleton thing came from.
09:01:52 AM Dec 2nd 2011
On Alduin's Wall Where IS Red Mountain and the Shattering of the Staff of Chaos, listed in the Call Backs. Coz I don't see it.
12:01:10 PM Feb 7th 2012
There's a man with a staff to the right of the guy in the center that might be the hero from Arena. The staff doesn't look much like the Staff of Chaos from Arena but I don't see any other staffs there. And I don't see Red Mountain but I can see Akulakhan right above that to the left of the Oblivion gate.
01:55:06 PM Jul 19th 2012
It took a while to see, but I think Red Mountain is actually in the background between Akulakhan and the Oblivion symbol. You can see the straight lines marking the sides of the mountain, and then curled smoke rising from the top.
07:52:03 AM Nov 27th 2011
So now the A God Am I entry claims that the idea of Akatosh resulted from a compromise between the descriptions of Alduin and Auriel. Can someone give a source for this, because I can't find one.
09:13:48 AM Nov 28th 2011
edited by Ghilz
Read "The Monomyth" and "Varieties of Faith in the Empire" Found in Morrowind. Akatosh / Auriel is one of two gods all religions on Tamriel (the other is Lorkhan)
07:05:38 PM Nov 28th 2011
Yeah, but the entry states that the Cyrodylic idea of Akatosh resulted from mixing the ideas of Alduin and Auriel, and those books say no such thing.
10:12:00 PM Dec 6th 2011
There's also "Alduin is Real" and I think there's one along the lines of "The Alduin/Akatosh Dichotomy". The second one supports the that viewpoint, while the first says they're different entities.
11:01:48 PM Dec 7th 2011
As I asked above, is there any evidence beyond in-universe books stating that worship of Akatosh came from mixing Nordic Alduin and Mer Auriel? Because those books are notorious for being only partially reliable. When Alduin himself declares that he is the firstborn of Akatosh, and does so right before a battle in the tone of voice one would use when boasting rather than trying to downplay themselves, it seems pretty clear what the truth is. Paarthurnax told us the same thing independently, and while he's not exactly impartial, he's still a good alternate source of information.

To ask this more simply, is there any reason to doubt the stated words of people who would know the truth, if the only opposing evidence is from books that are notoriously unreliable?
12:54:07 PM Jan 8th 2012
No, but a) the unreliability varies, b) it isn't so opposing as it seems. Firstborn does not necessarily mean son, not when the series has a precedent of complicated relations between avatars, mirror-twins and the like (indeed, one of MK's - and therefore of non-canon but not-quite-so-non-canon status - new texts refers to Alduin as aspect Ald to Aka-Tusk (implied to be Akatosh in a similar manner to Alkosh being Akatosh) and "Do not forget that it was Heaven itself that shed you from me").

As for which book is the source, Shezarr and the Divines is a source for the Eight Divines, as a whole, being a "well-researched synthesis of both pantheons, Nordic and Aldmeri", but its reliability can be argued against by the fact that it refers to the Aldmeri Dragon God of time as Akatosh. It seems the other source is... Kirkbridge, back when he was at Bethesda and not just a freelancer writing lore for Bethesda - it is from a longer version Where were you when the Dragon Broke that adds an intro that explains what the heck Corax was referring to he when spoke of the Selectives dancing on that tower, explaining the Middle Dawn as coming from an attempt by a group of religious radicals to remove those aspects of Imperial Akatosh (the Cyrodiilic idea of Akatosh, if not necessarily Borhamu/the Dragon idea of Akatosh) that indisputably was the Elven Auri-El.
06:15:59 AM Nov 25th 2011
Removed the following from Road Cones:

  • All but confirmed by Word of God, as when you bring the Spirit of Lucien Lachance in the area, he'll comment on Sheogorath's listening skills.

You can't summon Lucien in Pelagius' mind. since all spells unequip and you can't equip them back till you left. And if already summoned, he's not teleported to Pelagius' mind with you.

07:49:45 AM Nov 27th 2011
edited by McSomeguy
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01:23:46 AM Nov 21st 2011
edited by VR90
Regarding references to High King's age. They say he is a "child" but this is because he is very young relative to Ulfric who is well into middle age, having been a soldier 30 years ago during the Great War. Was it not noted that Jarl Elisif, his wife, is an adult? Anyway, point is is that Torygg was not some pre-teen or teen that Ulfric slaughtered. He was a young man.
06:22:58 AM Nov 21st 2011
I always took "child king" to mean that he wasn't officially a man in nord culture. Maybe you need to kill a bear before they stop calling you boy.

You can actually meet him in sovengarde and he's no kid.
02:10:53 PM Nov 17th 2011
edited by RandomWanderer
For the A God Am I and Face Heel Turn entries, is there any evidence beyond in-universe books stating that worship of Akatosh came from mixing Nordic Alduin and Mer Auriel? Because those books are notorious for being only partially reliable. When Alduin himself declares that he is the firstborn of Akatosh, and does so right before a battle in the tone of voice one would use when boasting rather than trying to downplay themselves, it seems pretty clear what the truth is. Paarthurnax told us the same thing independently, and while he's not exactly impartial, he's still a good alternate source of information.

To ask this more simply, is there any reason to doubt the stated words of people who would know the truth, if the only opposing evidence is from books that are notoriously unreliable?
01:13:44 PM Nov 22nd 2011
I came here to ask the same question when I noticed some trope entries calling Alduin the "northern aspect of Akatosh". The only book I found which described him as such was one that did so due to lacking evidence of Alduin being a separate entity from Akatosh, and that book was obviously written before the dragons returned. We have more than enough evidence to conclude that Alduin and Akatosh are not one and the same at all, so the entries should be changed.
08:01:40 PM Nov 16th 2011
What the Hell, Player? entries... aren't they more befitting of What the Hell, Hero??
01:36:51 PM Feb 8th 2012
Is there really any difference? The PC is both a player and the hero.
05:16:15 PM Apr 22nd 2012
It's the difference between it being directed at the player and being directed at the player's character. It's a fourth wall thing.
05:12:34 PM Nov 16th 2011
Where did the entry on the Altmer enslaving the Bosmer come from? The Bosmer are not enslaved, they formed the Aldmeri Dominion jointly with the Altmer.
10:08:23 PM Dec 6th 2011
"Formed jointly" at the end of a sword. The bosmer were basically conquered by the Thalmor. There's a good reason it's called the Aldmeri Dominion.
10:57:37 AM Dec 14th 2011
I don't know if it is clear that the 4th Era Aldmeri dominion is the result of the Altmer (under Thalmor leadership) conquering the Bosmer (I don't think there is any question that the earlier Aldmeri Dominion conquered the Bosmer, but it fell long before the events of Skyrim).

I looked briefly through some of the lore and couldn't find anything. The name does not indicate anything. The Aldmeri dominion is not named for the High Elves (Altmer), but for the First/Elder Folk (Aldmer), from whom all "Mer" are descended. Granted, the Altmer are the descendants most similar to the Aldmer, but a union of all "Mer" people could reasonably be termed the Aldmeri Dominion whether formed by Altmer, Bosmer, or Dunmer.
10:36:37 AM Dec 15th 2011
According to the elder scrolls wiki, the Thalmor gained power during and after the oblivion crisis. The timeline for when exactly the seceded is unclear, but several years after they did, sympathizers in Valenwood overthrew the ruling Imperial administration, sparking a small war between the Dominion and its bosmer allies and the Empire and its bosmer allies. The Dominion itself existed before allying with Valenwood, it purged all resistance in Valenwood, and given what we know about hidden agents, its not unreasonable to think that it created the sympathizers. Additionally, there are no non-Altmer thalmor in skyrim as anything other than servants, and the seat of power was always in Summerset.

(I was referring to the Dominion part of Aldmeri Dominion, not the Aldmeri part.)

The original Aldmeri dominion was a joint alliance by the Bosmer and Altmer, so this may be where the confusion is coming from.
06:56:22 PM Jan 22nd 2012
edited by random1
Is there any evidence that the Thalmor created the sympathizers in Valenwood or is that purely speculation on your part? While it seems clear that the Dominion started in Summerset, is there any reason to think that many Bosmer would not want to overthrow the Imperial control of Valenwood (i.e., the Imperial Dominion over mer and beast races)? There is a long history of dislike/distrust of Imperial domination (by those in Valenwood as well as many other parts of the Empire). It seems much more likely to me that many Bosmer in Valenwood would prefer to be allied with the Altmer than be a colony of the Empire, although I'm sure some in Valenwood would have preferred to remain allied with the Empire (just as some Nords prefer that).

Also, even if all those in Valenwood loved their Imperial overlords and wanted them to remain in control, that doesn't address the question of whether there's any evidence that the Bosmer are slaves/indentured servants of the Altmer. I have seen no evidence of that. That would show that Valenwood (and, presumably, Elsweyr) is essentially a colony of the Altmer, like it was a colony of Cyrodil before the Imperials were run out, not that they are slaves of the Altmer.

Is there good evidence that the Bosmer were enslaved by the Altmer, as the Elder Scrolls V Skyrim page claims? If not, shouldn't the page be changed?
07:17:26 PM Jan 22nd 2012
edited by random1
related Qs: the same paragraph on the page says re all Altmer: "Also, if you kill one of their kind, just one, even if he just tried to destroy the world, they'll put out a hit out on you." This is not true. You can kill Altmer who are not members of the Thalmor without any greater consequences than killing any other NPC. You can sometimes even kill Thalmor without triggering an Order of Execution. I've killed many and don't have an order against me. (Quote from UESP Wiki: The Thalmor may write an Order of Execution for the player if you act against them (though the exact trigger is unknown).) That sentence about the Altmer/Thalmor should be changed as well.

Later in the page, it says "The High Elves have formed their own Empire and aim for nothing less than conquering all of Tamriel and enslaving everyone else (they've already done so with the Khajiit)." Is there any evidence that the Altmer conquered the Khajiit? Is there any evidence that they've enslaved the Khajiit?
11:56:52 AM Feb 7th 2012
No there is not. What's supposed to have happened is the two moons, which the Khajiit consider very important, just disappeared. They came back later and the Aldmeri Dominion claimed responsibility for bringing them back and the Khajiit willingly joined.
12:40:28 PM Nov 15th 2011
Why do people keep spoilering Final Boss Preview? The game flat-out tells you that it's Alduin attacking, it's not a secret in any way. There isn't some big shocking reveal of "The dragon that tried to kill you was ALDUIN THE DRAGON-GOD!" *dramatic music* It just happens.
06:21:14 AM Nov 21st 2011
If you have general subs off, it doesn't say anything so spoiler it.
06:10:16 AM Nov 22nd 2011
If you look at him when he's close it still says Alduin in the hover text.
04:53:27 PM Nov 13th 2011
I have a question about the Dragon Shouts. If your character is a Nord does he shout "FUS-RO-DAH" like Dovakhiin does in the trailer?

I ask because my character is Imperial, and he shouts it differently. "Fuuus RO-DAH!" And seeing the video on Crowning Moment of Funny shows a Khajiit which ALSO says it differently.
04:58:00 PM Nov 13th 2011
All the character gender/race combinations have seperate voice files for their vocalisations.
03:22:36 AM Nov 14th 2011
Yes, I know that after watching the video. But that's not the question I was asking. I wanted to know if a Nord make makes the same shout Dovakiin does in the trailer?
05:59:22 PM Nov 18th 2011
As far as I can see, even the Nords say "Fuus... RO-DAH!"

Which annoys me. But I don't have a Nord character.
12:17:40 AM Nov 12th 2011
Necromage (under Revive Kills Zombie) actually says all *spells* are more effective, not Restoration specifically. I'm not editing this yet, however, because I don't know for sure one way or the other.

It is under the Restoration tree, but there is precedent for perks affecting different skills - Heavy Armor has one that boosts hand-to-hand damage. Raising the issue for someone else to confirm.
06:55:36 PM Dec 23rd 2011
Necromage boosts the damage that Destruction spells do to undead, but it doesn't affect Illusion spells or the paralyzing Alteration spells. And of course, it affects the Turn Undead spells in the Restoration tree.
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