Discussion DethroningMoment / KingOfTheHill

I think whoever wrote "What makes Bobby run?" either was picked on by jocks when they were younger or just had a bad experience with school sports and wrote this as a form of therapy to them. Still, that doesn't excuse for the terrible episode.

• Garuda One: If it softens the blow any, this is one of the very few times that A)Hank is actually called out on it, B) it comes to bite him in the ass in the end, and C) he actually seems to get the memo it was a bad idea.

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• Bored Me: Then there's the question of how a Communist military strongman was allowed into the United States to begin with.

I have a few to talk about and I'll try not to repeat any already mentioned.

There was the episode "Hank's Unmentionable Problem", aka the constipation episode. I can understand that Peggy cannot pester in his affairs and blab it to other people (like his narrow urethra) but this is an exception. Hank should've understand that it could've lead to colon cancer. Hank becomes all defensive whenever someone mentions it to him because he thinks what's going on through their minds is his "butt" "poop" "Hank taking a poop" & "possibly his dick" Also when Luanne mentions the acupuncturist and how he will stick needles on him, Hank says if anyone tries to do that on him he will kick their ass. Hank eventually decides to go and actually does kick the acupuncturist's ass. To me that was extreme because 1) that's his job and 2) why did he go anyway if he knew that was going to happen. At least the problem resolves at the end.

Could someone note the episode this is from?

• The Ore Sama:The episode where Bobby get's into fantasy books but Hank continuously yells at him for it and tries to get him into more "manly" adventure books. Like other examples on this page, it makes Hank look like a controlling dip shit.

UPDATE: The episode was "Full Metal Dust Jacket".

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Could someone note the episode this is from? It's a long running series and I don't remember every last episode in perfect detail, so I can't be certain what happens, but this one doesn't exactly ring any bells. I recall one episode where Bobby has a girlfriend who uses him and he waits attentively by the phone at one point, but I'm drawing a blank on the rest.

• The episode where Bobby becomes the least active member in a relationship between a woman who is using him (well, several actually who were bored). Basically Bobby does things like wait on calls from his 'girlfriend' etc. with the strong implication that this is inherently wrong. By the end of the episode Bobby solves his problem by 'protecting' the group of women from a pot addict and then acting chivalrous in the most unpleasantly passive-aggressive way possible. The moral of that episode was 'there is still a huge Double Standard between men and women in some areas...and that's a good thing because a man being less active in a relationship is weird!'. Listen, I understand that society expects men and women to act a certain way...the problem with this, however, is that there is absolutely no reason why these standards are so unevenly biased, favoring men: would it be such a terrible thing for a woman to court the man? The only reason why this is considered bad is because society says no, and it would litterally harm nobody for men and women to choose who is active in a relationship. The fact that King of the Hill completely disregards this and says 'even though it harms nobody men and women should still be forced to act a certain way based on a society heavily biased towards men' is disgusting. If a man wants to be active in a relationship, fine...but it should sure as heck be a choice!

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• I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Three Coaches and Bobby", basically Bobby joins a kid's football team and Hank is so ecstatic (for Hank), but Bobby is terrible and while on the field he sees some kids practicing soccer and wants to join, Hank is, of course, mortified. Long story short Bobby stops enjoying himself when soccer turns out to be more about having one than crushing your opponent in the dirt, and quits. The Deathroning moments for me is the fact that soccer, played by twelve year-olds is equivocated to the sport in general (Hank specifically doesn't it call it a "real sport" several times even to Bobby's coach. But also the fact that 12 year-olds could play a game just for the sake of fun and not winning pisses me off. Yes, the rules for the team were ridiculous, and no, I'm not the kind of person to agree that all kids should get trophies for trying or something like that, but the lesson here is "Any sport that isn't football and people play to just enjoy and not necessarily win and humiliate the other team is obviously isn't a real sport and a complete joke". And note, I HATE soccer with a passion, it doesn't mean a like the terribly stereotypical and over simplified version portrayed here.

• The episode where Luanne became a virgin again. Peggy reveals that while she stressed the importance of not having sex before getting married throughout all of Hank and hers relationship, she had pre-marital sex before she met him. Usually when Hank calls Peggy on her hypocrisy he either fills guilty or she gets an out (the convict was a crack head, the con-man was greedy) but this didn’t happen in this episode. And it makes you see the true reason why Hank was so angry. All throughout their relationship she stressed the importance of building it on love not sex then blatantly says she sees it as nothing more than bragging rights forcing him to nearly kill himself to make it up to her. Then he finds out everything was a blatant lie. Though it did kind of suck that while hank had to be laid up in bed to forgiven Peggy was forgiven because Hank was horny.
  • Peggy was also pretty bad in that episode siding with Hank and somehow making Bobby out to be the bad person(true he could've been less smug about Hank not being to do anything and could've explained what happened to her, but somehow I doubt the latter would've made her any less of a bitch) and she tackles him and tries to subdue him and Peggy continues deending Hank's ridiculous actions, but the biggest Wall Banger is when Bobby gets angry and kicks Peggy in the crotch and she barely reacts at all. That is flat out false! getting kicked in the crotch is every bit as painful for women as it is for men, and for KOTH to imply that it's not is not only incredibly stupid but dangerous as well.

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• Super Saiya Man: The reason for all of Hank's behavior is even worse. He sees that if Christianity is turned into a 'fad' for Bobby, it'll be something he discards like everything he has done before. I really hope in a protracted Karma is a Bitch episode in the far future Bobby decides to become a Atheist due to Hank's controlling attitude.

• AB No 4: This was an episode that highlighted how Hank can be a pretty lousy father. First, he's fairly unsympathetic towards his son being bullied and certainly isn't motivated to intervene. Second, he makes a suggestion about learning to box - arguably bad advice as it just means more violence - but doesn't offer to teach Bobby himself, as that would mean spending time with him instead of drinking with his friends in the alley, watching football or spending time with Ladybird. As mentioned above, when he finally does intervene and try to show Bobby how to defend himself, he's a bit of a bully about it, something that Bobby is sensitive to at this point. The episode was supposed to be about Bobby losing control and doing the wrong thing, but it arguably said much more about Hank and his parenting skills.

• AB No 4: As with many other examples on this list, the use of lazy strawman characters to oppose Hank's view and prove him right by the end of the episode, presenting him as the protagonist when he's really more of the episode's antagonist, is what makes it so infuriating.

• AB No 4: If I recall correctly, Hank was actually kind of OK with what Johnny Knoxville's character did and accepted that it wasn't a glamorous job, but nevertheless a necessary one and that it obviously paid well. What made him sour on the situation was when the character started making a lot of inappropriate scatalogical jokes and references during dinner and basically acted like a complete screwball when he'd previously appeared to be more intelligent and sensible. Once again, a character had to become a strawman so that Hank could be justified.

• AB No 4: While Bobby doesn't help by not leading the conversation with any information about what's happening with the team that's making him want to quit - stuff that Hank wouldn't have supported either - Hank also displays his annoying tendency not to ask why Bobby feels that way, assumes he just lazily wants to quit the team and lectures him on the importance of not quitting when he doesn't know the full details, including whether or not Bobby had found himself in danger. It's a shame because it could've been an opportunity to subvert that usual plot device and have the two of them working together to resolve the situation.

• AB No 4: There's also the young pastor's sudden change into a whiny brat at the concert. Instead of having a moment where Hank realises that perhaps he and the pastor aren't so different, he's proven right once again as the pastor's father has to step in to resolve the situation and they have a chuckle about "teenagers!" As it did a few times too many over the show's run, the resolution neatly justified Hank's narrow-minded/outdated point of view by making a strawman out of a character with an opposing viewpoint.

• AB No 4: While quite a few of these other episodes are among my least favourites or at least have elements that really annoy me, my vote goes to "Enrique-cilable Differences". Basically, Enrique is having marital problems and makes the foolish mistake of thinking that Hank sees his co-workers as anything other than people who happen to sell propane and propane accessories alongside him, attempting to lean on him for support. While it is presumptuous of him and it's possible to sympathise with Hank's discomfort early on, the episode goes out of its way to make Enrique look annoying and intrusive, while Hank avoids confronting him and begins to look very callous, especially when he says he doesn't care what happens with Enrique. In the climax of the episode, Hank and the family flat out ignore Enrique while he has a breakdown in their front yard and finally gets the point, avoiding any conversation beyond "Good morning" the next day. It was supposed to be a story about Hank's uncomfortable encounter with a colleague who assumed a closer relationship existed between them (with hilarity ensuing), but it played out more like another tale of how Hank being an uncaring jerk.

AB No 4, pick one!

• Midoriri: Oh yeah...and the reason he decides that the fantasy is "un-manly?" The lead character is female, comes from a race of elves, and Hank read one sentence out of context. If he'd done any damn research of the book's plot, or even asked what it was about, he'd know that the female lead was a warrior, and there was a huge battle-scene. But no—one sentence and a female elf means the book is girly. Damn it, Hank...

• jessicaotiesha: My Dethroning Moment has to be I Remember Mono. Peggy recounts how she and Hank first realized they were meant to be together. Hank gets injured and he and Peggy end up having their date over the phone. Later though Peggy finds out that Hank actually got mono from a woman he had never met before who basically grabbed him off the street at random and kissed him. The episode had everything you would expect from a romantic comedy the wife made that her husband laid to her and the husband having to make it up. However what makes this episode D Mo S is that Peggy isn’t mad that Hank kissed another girl, because she was told he instantly pushed her off of him and ran away. She’s made because she no longer has some romantic movie like story to tell people. That’s right Peggy has reduced her and Hanks entire relationship to nothing but bragging rights. So for weeks Peggy just stops taking care of herself and ends up looking like a homeless bum. Finally Hank decides to give her what she wants and ends up repeating various movie type scenarios, like putting his coat over a puddle. One such antic causes him to throw his back out with Peggy leaving him there to wallow in his own stupidity. She later tells her friends and after seeing them sigh at how romantic that was she realizes she has something to brag about again. The main reason I consider this a Dmos though is that I usually connect it to what I consider a Crowning Moment of Awesome for Hank.
  • Adam C: Hank actually does react this way at first, being openly embarrassed when Bobby takes Chip out in front of his friends and clearly associating the activity with playing with dolls. He only warms up to it when Bobby uses Chip to make sports-related commentary and jokes, essentially turning the dummy into Hank's ideal son. At one point, when Hank goes golfing with Chip (and Bobby by proxy), the boy complains his hand is starting to cramp up from using the puppet too much, prompting his dad to respond, "No one likes a whiner, Bobby."
• anoni: Off the top of my mind, the episode where Bobby smokes. What does Hank do as his punishment? Force Bobby to smoke an entire carton of cigarettes (there had to be like 10 individual packs of cigarettes in that carton) while he watches. I'm sorry, but that's child abuse right there. It would also fuel Bobby's addiction. It only made things worse! I believe a normal parent would have gotten help for their kid.

Tropers/Retro7: Surprised this wasn't mentioned yet, but the "That's My Purse" episode where Hank tries to teach Bobby self-defense. Hank is just at his absolute worst here. First by sending him to a woman's self defense class where he learns the groin kicking move. When Hank finds out, he of course mortified and opts to teach Bobby himself. This troper always face-palms at the sparring scene, cause Hank just comes off looking more like a bully then a mature adult trying to teach his kid how to defend himself. Seriously he constantly goading and teasing Bobby. And then when Bobby finally gets fed up with it and kicks him into the groin, he responds by grounding the poor kid! Hank, you knew full well what form of self-defense he learned, and yet you goaded him into attacking you. How was he wrong? I know Hank's old-fashioned but even he's not an idiot.

• Baronobeefdip- What about the "Painting Scene" (and it's the very start of the episode). Basically, Bobby and Peggy painted "white puffy clouds" on the walls in Bobby's room. Hank sees this and...immediately starts re-painting the wall plain ol' blue saying that a "boy's room should be blue" (Um, Hank? What if Bobby doesn't like blue? What if he likes green or orange or red?) and "Bobby is a big boy now! If he wants to look at clouds he can look out the window!". Um, Hank? Bobby is what? Twelve? That's the age of the kid you're pretty much dictating. It makes you wonder if Hank's reaction would be any different if Bobby wanted to paint a life-sized portrait of the Dallas Cowboys on his wall instead of "white puffy clouds".

• Demetrios: You couldn't have said it better. The part where Hank cleans up Bobby's room was despicable. What's worse is that neither Bobby nor Peggy (who, for all her Small Name, Big Ego, was the only form of intelligent life in this episode) did nothing to stop it.

• Forced Dj 7: Lupe's Revenge had Peggy being jailed for accidentally taking a Mexican girl over borders. Now, the dethroning moment is when she is acquitted. Instead of acknowledging that she had no idea on what she said, or that she didn't know that Lupe was actually a Mexican, or that she didn't understand anything they said, she smugly said that she was right and told them so. No offense, but if I was being in trial for something I didn't mean to do and they acquitted me, I would said that I will never do that again, and just admit defeat. But she just claims victory instead of admitting defeat.

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I'm not entirely sure about this one...

• kidlitfan: Post-Peggy's parachute accident. Though she did have to be nursed back to health, the fact that she survived that fall at all turned the show from a drama that happened to be animated into a silly cartoon. I keep wondering what other Merrie Melodies-esque thing they're going to do (those are fine in their own universe, but don't belong in Arlen, Texas.).

The human body's pretty durable. I don't really think that a main character not dying horribly from a fall turns a show into "a silly cartoon". or "Merrie Melodies-esque". She didn't leave a Peggy shaped hole in the ground, or spring up like nothing happened. She was in a nearly full-body cast and had to go through physical therapy from hell.

Anyone have any opinions?

Blue Pacific, signing off...

Just curious... I don't grill that much, so can someone explain why the Food Network would answer why a picnic wouldn't allow propane?

Hmm, I'm not real sure about the picture we chose. I agree that Hank going "BWAAAH!" captures the mood of Dethroning Moment Of Suck, but at the same time, the picture makes him look kind of goofy.

Flora is the most beautiful member of the Winx Club. :)

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• What happened to Luanne on King Of The Hill? Her Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming was realizing that she was better than she always thought she was and enrolling in college. Then one season the writers decide she really is too dumb to amount to anything, make her a dropout and saddle her with Lucky.
  • Luanne's intelligence level kept fluctuating during the course of the show, ranging anywhere from "a tiny bit ditzy" to "she proves all of the blonde jokes right". But when the writers go out of their way to turn Luanne into everything she'd been trying not to become (a white trash dropout) after they'd gone out of their way to have her do practically everything she could to escape that fate, yeah, I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a Dethroning Moment for both the character and the show itself.
  • Its kind of weird how Lucky, a redneck who relied on lawsuit money actually got Character Developement through the seasons, becoming a responsible home owner, husband, and father, while Luanne regressed into infantile intelligence.
    • She's not the only one. As the show progressed, Joseph's body got bigger but his brain got smaller, thus creating this classic line: describing a singer as "the chick with the boobs." Yeah, that narrows it down.
• For me, it was the episode where Bobby is chosen to be the mascot for his school's football team (the Longhorns, which basically means he wears a bull costume) but then gets second thoughts when he finds out that it's a tradition for the other team to beat him up if his school wins a football game. The DMOS in this is the fact that EVERYONE including his various Arlenites, schoolmates (with the exception of Connie), and even teachers berate him for being a coward. I don't care if it's "tradition" or not. Bobby had every right to be afraid of having the crap beaten out of him. Also, his parents (especially Hank) should've been more understanding of his predicament.
  • Not to mention the Family-Unfriendly Aesop the episode provides (Other shows provide this bad aesop as well)-"Forget all the emotional trauma and painful physical therapy resulting from broken/sprained limbs and whatnot they'll have to go through! Everyone knows mascots are little more than a Butt-Monkey in a costume. Watching them get beat up is fun!"
  • I fucking hate the little scene where a teacher pushes Bobby onto the floor on purpose, causing him to drop some books he was carrying. The teacher then growls "PICK IT UP" in a manner that should make someone shit their pants in anger. When Bobby reached for the books, the teacher kicked them away from him, growled "PICK IT UP" again, before the guidance counselor came in and growled at Bobby to come to his office. There was something in that scene that was just so goddamn unpleasant, I couldn't handle seeing Bobby getting tortured like that.
    • Not to mention that beatings on mascots or similar hazings were outlawed in the 1980's, and the fact that teacher should have been rightly fired for her actions make this episode the start of KOTH's downward spiral of suck.
• My interest in King of the Hill died when they killed off Cotton Hill, who was arguably the most consistently funny character in the show (not to mention consistently badass). Every episode with him was worth watching, and killing him off was just.... wrong.
  • Ah, yes, that episode was a real downer in more ways than one. The big DMOS regarding the death of Cotton was not the fact that he died, but rather how they killed him off. Having him die due to an accident at a sushi bar just seems more like something out of a bad comedy series than anything serious (which it should've been).
  • This is after they seemingly forgot how he forgave the Japanese at the urging of his illegitimate son Junichiro.
  • What pisses me off with that is the fact that Didi and G.H. aren't in the episode at all and, unless I've missed one, aren't seen again.
  • What really pissed me off is one season later they had his body cremated and flushed down a toilet that General Patton supposedly used, thinking back this is very out of character for him he was a very proud former soldier and wanted to be buried with dignity and he knew he would die before his infant son Good Hank hit his teenage years so he fought hard to earn a veteran's grave so that he could visit it, and being flushed down a toilet would make him forgotten, Good Hank will now never know him (he was a toddler last we seen of him), and his grave would go to someone else.
  • While I agree on the toilet-flushing funeral, especially after there was a whole episode of him getting a plot of land at a national military cemetery, being the biggest Jerkass on the show by far with barely any comeuppance (aside from maybe being talked down to occasionally) meant Cotton had some long-overdue Karma waiting to kick his ass. Look at Hank's whole stick-in-the-mud, boy-ain't-right personality. Got that from a horribly abusive father, who would've been mortified that his death was such an anticlimax.
    • I actually CHEERED with Cotton died. I never liked that sexist, racist pig. He wasn't a war hero (he was actually caught in a lie by Peggy), he was just a WWII vet who cashed in on BEING a WWII vet in a similar way that Paris Hilton cashed in on being Famous for BEING Famous. Bragging that he killed 50 men whenever he asked if he was proud of Hank, making an absolutely BOGUS story on how he lost his shins...Karma should have caught up with him and he should have gotten his ass kicked.
• Yet another example of Luanne's DMOS-causing stupidity would have to be the episode where her father comes home from working at the oil rig prison. Does the episode involve Luanne's father struggling to reform back into society and learns that doing so is difficult, but can be done with the support of his loved ones? Nope. Does the episode involve Luanne learning her father's dark secret, and realizes that sometimes, the people you love the most can break your trust and hurt you emotionally? Nope. How does it end, you ask? With her aunt Peggy blatantly LYING to her and telling her that her father is back working at the oil rig (He was arrested and serving life in prison) and that the person behind the crimes is some disabled kid.
  • Not to mention the HUUUUUUGE bad moral the episode presents-"It's okay to lie to your own family about the dark deeds of a loved one, especially if they're an adult and mature enough to know the truth. After all, it's better for them to eventually realize your own lies and be emotionally hurt by two people rather than just finding out the heartbreaking news of one."
  • Plus, it just really goes to show how stupid Luanne has become in recent seasons. In earlier episodes, she was able to put two and two together and realize when people were using her. In this DMOS-filled episode, however, she can't even comprehend that her father constantly ditching her for various shady reasons, and Lucky (whom her father had framed) getting into trouble, might mean that her father might not be as innocent as she believes.
• Oh, how about the episode where Bobby gets involved in Tarot cards and joins a group of nerds who are fascinated in witchcraft (either that or they're just really dedicated LARPers (Live Action Role Players).) That episode alone is one big DMOS. Why? Well, Hank tells Bobby not to hang out with the LARPers because they're "losers with no friends who'll end up getting beaten up by the cool kids.". Now, does it turn out that Hank learns the LARPers are normal people like you or me? No, of course not. Instead, it turns out that not only was Hank right, but that the LARPers are also weird cultists who try to make Bobby drink dog's blood. Ugh, there are Chick Tracts about Dungeons And Dragons that have fewer Wall Bangers than this.
  • Not to mention that it helps promote the awful stereotype that anyone who engages in roleplay are a bunch of weirdos who engage in weird cult-like activities and are losers with no social life. Thanks, KOTH. As if it weren't hard enough being a nerd as it is...
  • And, like previous DMOSes mentioned before it, let's not forget this one too has a friendly unfriendly aesop - "Don't roleplay, kids. Not only will you be labeled as a "freak" for the rest of your life, but your fellow roleplayers are also really cultists who want you to do disgusting things as part of their sick rituals."
  • Need we mention the fact that just because someone finds the art of witchcraft (or magic spells in general) fascinating doesn't mean that they're a bunch of insane cultists either?
• Yet another example. In one episode, an elderly lady who once lived in the house the Hills currently reside in visits to reminisce during the holidays. Starts out sweet enough, right? But, then, the elderly woman tells Hank that she wants to die in that house and the Hills (rightfully) ask her to leave. What happens next? The rest of the episode centers around said elderly woman attempting to break into the home and the neighbors berating the Hills just for not letting her die in their own home. Seriously? I don't know what sort of wacky universe KOTH dwells in, but, in Real Life, someone wanting to die in a house that has a family living in it and pretty much harassing them until they give in is considered a form of insanity.
  • Not to mention that the neighbors get mad at Hank when he calls the police on the elderly lady. Guys, the lady was trespassing onto his property and, as stated above, wanted to die in his home! Hank did the right thing by calling the police since that elderly woman clearly has severe psychological issues.
• How about the episode where Hank is at odds with another scout-leader who thinks that all the activities should be quiet and indoors. Hank decides to take all the kids out camping only to find out that two of the kids (IE: the rival scout-leader's own kids) have ADD. Oh, but the real DMOS of this episode comes from the fact that the rival scout-leader didn't even BOTHER to tell Hank his kids had ADD until said kids wandered off. It just comes off as awkward and seems like a forced way to make Hank in the wrong.
  • No kidding. It's like, instead of having an entire episode centering around Hank learning how to deal with kids with ADD and that they can still have fun even when doing indoor activities, it's pretty much "Oh, by the way, my kids have ADD".
  • And this could have been a perfectly good episode if Hank was teaching the overprotective parent scout master that it is possible for kids, EVEN WITH ADD, to have fun without being sheltered. But no, Hank had to learn that kids should be cloistered and protected all the time so they never learn how to deal with anything. Way to make a Broken Aesop King Of The Hill.
  • What I hate about this is that Hank didn't retaliate, he should've told that scout master that he shouldn't treat the scouts as if their exactly like his kids.
  • I got the impression that Hank was in the right on this episode- the scout master came off as way too creepy and prissy to be unintentional.
• The most infuriating point where Peggy acts better than someone else, or even so much as acts smart for me was when Peggy gets Hank, who was a substitute shop teacher, fired all because she was jealous of his success which threatened her precious three-peat as Substitute Teacher of the Year. Peggy then tries to capitalize on her husband being fired by entering herself as Mrs. Hank Hill so she could win the Substitute Teacher of the Year award that should've been Hank's in the first place!
• I don't remember the name, but in one episode, Bobby becomes a plus-sized model. Unsurprisingly, Hank doesn't like it because he finds it embarrassing. Hank forbids Bobby from it by claiming he's protecting him. The Hills then go see the fashion show. Halfway through it, a couple of bullies come up and start chucking doughnuts at the models in one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. Now not only do the Hills not do anything to try and stop the bullies, but Bobby thanks Hank for protecting him when the episode had made it perfectly clear that Hank was being selfish. So let me get this straight, King Of The Hill— it is okay for a father to prevent his son from doing things that make him happy, it's okay for people to just stand aside and let people bully young kids, but it's not okay for obese people to try and do something like model, and it's not ok for people to do something they like even if it is embarrassing because you're just going to get bullied. You're just going to get bullied and you deserve it if you do something embarrassing or you're fat or nerdy or pretty much anything Hank fucking Hill doesn't approve of.
  • Additionally, the episode almost seemed to end in a bad Downer Ending fashion in an asshole-y part where Hank drags Bobby out of the fashion show's dressing room, and a formerly popular "fat" child model who talked shit at Bobby earlier talks shit at him again as Hank drags Bobby out. The only thing worth remembering about that part was "Are you gonna come out with me normally, or will I have to drag you out 'baby-tantrum' style?."
    • Well, let's just be glad that the aforementioned popular "fat" child model that talked shit at Bobby got his comeuppance after being pelted with donuts from Dooley and some other kids. Although I did find it pretty bad that Hank forced Bobby not to participate, Hank's foresight of what would've happened to Bobby if he DID go out with all the other plus-size models automatically negated the suckiness.
    • Watching the episode right now. How is this supposed to be funny, Mike Judge? Hank, you are really just a Jerkass who was EMBARASSED ABOUT YOURSELF when it didn't bother Bobby at all. And the barrage at the end with donuts...again, DUDE NOT FUNNY!
• The episode that really pissed me off was the one where Hank and Co. leave their small church because someone else was sitting in their favorite pew and their minister wouldn't move the family. That's it. After they leave to attend a new, fancier church, everything seems peachy. But then the new place starts annoying everyone (except Peggy) and they long to return to their old house of worship, but Hank doesn't want to suck up his pride and face Reverend Stroup again. As word of the big fancy church spreads, less and less people attend Rev. Stroup's sessions and she becomes desperate. Hank agrees to return with everyone else with him, but only if she apologizes to him and reserves a pew for them every day. SHE DOES. Holy crap, I'm not religious, but even I know that you don't go around threatening religious officials like that!! And we're supposed to be on Hank's side. I don't even think anybody in the show pointed out the horrible implications of his actions! WTF?!?
  • Even worse, the Methodist church was losing attendance because Hank was deliberately telling people about the new Mega-Church.
• The episode where Bobby gets a pet snake. Just...wow. Long story short-Bobby gets a pet snake from Lucky as a gift, said snake somehow escapes, and a citywide panic ensues (due to a pair of corrupt exterminators), so Dale is hired to kill the snake. Wait....WHAT!?! The snake wasn't even a danger to anyone. Oh, and let's not forget that it's someone's (IE: Bobby's) PET! You don't kill another person's pet unless it's clearly a danger to itself and everyone around it (Rabid dogs, for example). What you're supposed to do, people of KOTH, is safely capture said pet snake (So that it's 'not harmed in any way) and return it to its rightful owner (IE: Bobby) NOT kill it!
  • Not only that, the exterminators who perpetrated the whole stupid snake hysteria? They get no comeuppance, Arlen doesn't realize the only reason why their town isn't overrun by rats are the snakes in the sewer, and for a reptile lover like me, Luanne's stupid "It's coming towards me, it knows I'm a Christian!" is a dethroning moment of suck in its own way. Hell, even earlier, Peggy grabbed a harmless rat snake and said it was harmless—thus, even if someone as stupid as her knew that, the entire city except for a few dumb-dumbs should.
  • I didn't like this episode much either, but it wasn't the snake-killing or the comeuppance the corrupt exterminators avoided that bothered me. Instead, it was the neglect the Hills received from Arlen as a result of the panic. Especially that scene where they entered the restaurant and at first glance, the waitress was leading them to a table while all the patrons in the restaurant looked at them with dirty looks. This may not seem bad at first glance, but when it got to the part where the waitress (with an evil smirk on her face) led them to the exit of the restaurant, I knew that this episode was one of the worst. It didn't ruin my interest in the show like some, but it did show that even in the greatest of series, there are some moments that just suck so bad, they belong on pages like this.
    • Likewise, the fact that Lucky probably spent quite a bit of money on that snake. Um, long story short, snakes are expensive to buy (Your average pet python can range anywhere from $50 to over $100 depending on the species and the store you get it from). Yet another reason why the episode is a DMOS. I'm pretty sure Lucky probably isn't happy all that money he spent on a gift for Bobby was killed by a bunch of incompetent morons.
  • The ending of that particular episode made this snake-loving troper almost swear off of KOTH forever. The snake is stabbed to death with gardening tools.
• I nominate the Fun with Jane and Jane episode because Peggy encouraged Luanne to go back to that cult. Of course she didn't know it was a cult but still Luanne told her and Hank what they were doing to her yet Peggy though they were doing it out of love. Seriously, feeding them nothing but rice, throwing them in a closet, waking them up in the middle of the night to yell at them and not letting them go to the bathroom sounds like something an abusive parent to do, it's disappointing on Peggy's part for not realizing that. And also Hank for thinking Luanne was drinking and treating her like she was drunk, I seriously doubt a drunk person could pull off a plea for help whiling pretending to sell jams and jellies. Not to mention the terrified look on her face and fear in her voice was a definite sign that she was in trouble.
• Related to the above rant about how Hank loves dogs way, way too much, I hated the episode where the Hills had to take care of a cat. It would've been a great opportunity to have An Aesop about Hank disliking the feline then learning to appreciate that cats have their own merits as pets, but no. For starters, when Hank signs up to take cake of a military worker's pet, he assumes it'll be a dog. Fits his character perfectly, but he never gets a moment where anyone says "Cats are pets too, y'know?" and the ownership of a cat is treated as freakish and weird. Then the cat is naturally ill-tempered, mean, and spiteful, making the Hill's lives complete hell for the duration of his stay. Granted, they try to make the bad guy a vet who uses Hank's unfortunate position as a way to bleed him dry, but they never show the cat as anything but a horrible, horrible pet. Up until this point Hank's dislike of anything besides dogs, including the above snake episode, could've been considered just another funny fault of the character, but now the show was agreeing with him. Case in point- that same episode had Bill take care of a golden retriever. Just the act of having a dog makes Bill popular, confident, desirable to women, and lets him fly in a jet. Yes, dogs are God's gift to the human race! Fuck the adorable, affectionate little kitties!
  • I, have owned both cats and dogs ever since I was an infant was absolutely appalled by the callousness against cats in this episode. And no, Hank, I didn't own a Poodle, I owned a Labrador Mut named Whopper, and he got along and loved his cat buddies, Ebony and Tiger. And know what's even worse? Earlier episodes had Hank, Peggy, and Bobby mentioning that they DID have a cat, but it died. Yet now, we're supposed to see that Cats Are Mean and shouldn't be pets? And that dogs are the only animal suited to be man's best friend? God damn it King Of The Hill writers, let Hank learn that keeping a cat doesn't make you 'gay' or a woman...
    • I believe Hank's exact words were (when a doctor recommended getting a hairless breed for Bobby's allergies): "A poodle?? Why not just get a sex-change and a cat?!" I know some people see cat lovers as Acceptable Targets, but this is just ridiculous.
  • Watching the episode right now...did the writers even research cat behavior? Many of the things 'Duke' is doing are what dogs do, and 'pooping in shoes'? When a cat learns to use a litter box, they rarely go anywhere else unless they really need to! Why the hell do the writers hate other animals besides dogs to the point where they can't even go and research behavior...?
• I really hated the "Honeymooners" episode, due mainly to the fact that it completely destroyed Hank's mom as a likable character in his eyes. In the first 2 minutes, we find out that she was cheating on her former boyfriend, Gary, with a new guy named Chuck that we've never even heard of before. On top of this, characters in the episode continuously reference a "wild streak" that Hank's mom has never displayed before, yet it is treated as if this has been within her personality the entire time! Did I mention the fact that her cheating is mostly ignored for the entire episode so they can progress with the "real plot" of the episode? So it's bad if Cotton is a womanizer, but Hank's mom is allowed to cheat with no questions asked? The worst of it is the fact that the episode itself is a mostly pointless RV plot that could have easily been done with Gary! This also completely invalidates "The Unbearable Blindness of Laying", a favorite episode of mine.
• Normally when Hank is embaressed by anything Bobby does, it's usually nerdy, immasculine and not having anything to do with anything he sees fit. So the one time when Bobby has a limit, when he's asked/forced to join Powder Puff Cheerleading, which has people on the football team dress in drag and act like stereotypical girls, makeup, bra and cheerleading outfits and all, Hank IMMEDIATELY jumps on the band wagon for this! Why would he NOW decide it's okay for his son to dress like a woman, wear lipstick and be a general embaressement? Because it has something to do with SPORTS, of course! I know that Bobby gets into it later but he seems geniuenly uninterested in it, and when he tells his dad he doesn't want to do it? Hank GUILT TRIPS him into staying on the team. So it's okay for your son to do something that he likes as long as it's affiliated with SPORTS? Ugh.
  • I thought that Hank was concerned about Bobby's physical health, but no, apparently, Hank wants Bobby to do things sports-related because it's manly, even though the cheerleading team is clearly going out of their way to be as effeminate as possible. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON, HANK?
  • However, there is a later episode than that one where Bobby joins the track and field team and is used as a morale boost to the other members because he's so horrible at it. Hank is the only one who is downright horrified because of the way Bobby is being treated and Bobby seems to think it will make him a real athlete. Way to be consistent, writers. Whatever happened to the days when Bobby was actually GOOD at some sports, like wrestling, and shooting?
• While I found Bill's cousin, Gilbert to be pretty fun, he effectively DMOS'd in the episode where Bill decides to market the Dauterieve family recipe for steak sauce (it was steak sauce, wasn't it?). Gilbert is enraged that Bill is "whoring out" the family recipe and gives the hapless Butt-Monkey an epic chewing out over it, sending Bill spiraling into depression as he withdraws on any deals to sell it. When Hank confronts him at the bus station on the way out, Gilbert, being a smug little shit that even Cotton would be repulsed by points out that "a real gentleman never goes back on his word" and refuses to let Bill sell the recipe or apologize for the chewing out. What makes Gilbert especially hypocritical is that earlier in the episode, he sold the family's estate to some developers who will "probably make it a water park." So apparently the mansion your formerly affluent and soon-to-be-extinct family is a-okay, but the secret family steak sauce is Serious Business! This troper wanted to take a hammer to Gilbert's face after that.
  • It was Barbecue Sauce for ribs which made Bill the talk of the street since he was actually good at making almost gourmet ribs. Gilbert was probably angry that HE didn't think of it first. Hell, if the show continued, we probably would have seen bottles of the Dautrieve Sauce with Gilbert's face on them. It never occurred to Bill that he could have just done it without Gilbert's approval and SAVED THE FUCKING FAMILY.
• Bringing back John Redcorn after Nancy Boys. The ending of that episode was the perfect send-off for the character: he finally did the right thing and had a potentially bright future ahead of him. Then, that nice bit of character development got undone in Season 5, when he reappears.
• For this troper, it was the episode where Peggy gets insanely jealous of Bobby and thinks he's replacing her or some crap like that. Basically, Bobby starts to get better at Home Ec, making Hank a new pair of jeans to replace the ones he accidentally ruined and breaking them in with a power sander. Then he gets very good at cooking (Hank actually likes and compliments the food, and even makes a request for Thanksgiving dinner!), and what does Peggy do She gets jealous of her own son, seeing him as competition, generally acts nasty and spiteful towards him, and upon finding a women's magazine in Bobby's room (it had a turkey recipe in it, which was why he had it), she calls Hank in and says that "the boy is not right" because the magazine has sex tips and scratched-off perfume samples—that she probably scratched off. Just...that whole episode makes me mad, and there is something very, very creepy about Peggy's jealousy towards her own son and the fact he's finally getting a closer relationship with Hank.
  • Agreed. This episode was Peggy at her most disturbing low, but she was never punished for it. Instead Hank and Bobby are given the moral that they need to be more sensitive to her. Peggy can be very insecure at times, but there was just something wrong with how she was so threatened by Bobby.

Someone tell me why all the stuff praising General Cotton's death was restored? This isn't a page about praising stuff like that after all.