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09:22:17 PM Jan 21st 2017
Nord Ronnoc deleted these two examples:

  • For many years it was joked that Great Britain was one of the few countries in the world that had no Independence Day to celebrate, because Britain was the country everyone else had won their independence from. Then came June 23, 2016, when the British people defied elite opinion in their own country and abroad and voted to regain their independence from the European Union.

  • Donald Trump winning the Presidency in 2016. First, there was the fact that he won the Republican nomination while spending less than any other candidate except Kasich (by way of comparison, Clinton and Sanders each spent more than three times as much in the Democratic primaries as Trump spent in the Republican primaries), and then won the general election while spending less than half of what his opponent spent. Then there was the fact that almost every poll and pundit was predicting that he would lose. From the moment he entered the race, all "respectable" opinion, on both sides, assured the public that Trump could not possibly win, and that he would take the Republican Party down to defeat with him. And then came election day, when Trump not only won, but led the Republican Party to what is arguably its greatest victory, and certainly to holding the greatest number of elected offices, since the twenties. There wasn't a "deplorable" in America who didn't feel a little bit taller that day.

His reasons were "Bretix [sic] is not awesome" and "Yeah, not awesome in context", respectively.

He added this example:

  • The Women's March, starting out as a local protest group on Facebook, has grown and attracted two million members and over 600 marches worldwide. On January 21, 2017, it had over 500,000 attendees marching down in Washington DC, with similar turnouts in major American cities like Chicago and Los Angeles. Trump's inauguration had less than 250,000 at its peak. The purpose? It was to protect civil rights of religious and ethnic minorities and the LGBT community.

I guess he supposes that this page is Crowning Moments of Leftism. I disagree with that. I think that if this page is going to have a category for politics, it should be open to a variety of political persuasions. I do not think that the example he posted ought to be deleted, although I don't think it's awesome at all. I think it was rather pathetic, but different people see the world differently. The question is whether this page is going to be open to differing points of view. I think the examples he deleted ought to be put back. I spoke to a moderator about this, and he encouraged me to bring it to the discussion page for other users to chime in. So that's what I'm doing now. I think we are generally better off if we at least try to see the world from others' points of view, instead of just deleting entries we disagree with. I hope other users will agree with me.
09:27:41 AM Jan 22nd 2017
edited by NordRonnoc
Considering Trump's rhetoric and planned policies, as well as the fallout from Brexit, yeah, I wouldn't consider that awesome, not in the slightest bit. We've seen that rhetoric before (whether or not it was bad, I'll say it was worse than before), and it should not be welcomed with open arms. Even on TV Tropes.

If you got a problem with me removing it, tough.
11:50:39 AM Jan 22nd 2017
I didn't consider the example you posted to be awesome at all, either. "If you got a problem with me removing it, tough."
12:11:01 PM Nov 11th 2015
Seriously, what happened to the C Mo A for Sports? I didn't see anything controversial from what I recall. Sports is practically a haven for these kinds of moments.
11:03:21 PM Nov 11th 2015
Wouldn't the Sports page be what your looking for?
03:28:33 PM Dec 1st 2014
For Awesome / Real Life, where can we put the SALMON CANNON? Science? Technology? Humanitarian? 'Cause I'm with John Oliver on this one, this is one of the greatest achievements in human history.
09:51:02 AM Dec 10th 2013
Why did the Martin Bashir example get deleted? Sarah Palin went on about slavery, and he ended up telling her "THIS is what slavery is like, grow up". For people that are sick and tired of hearing various Strawman Political types rant about slavery without considering what actual slaves went through, it's seriously refreshing.
11:38:23 AM Jul 6th 2014
Because there are people who support Palin and disagree with Bashir?
12:23:56 PM Apr 23rd 2013
How about what happened in Boston the week of April 15, 2013?
09:24:53 AM Feb 8th 2013
edited by Telcontar
I'd like to contest the Alexander Fleming entry. Whilst he is credited with creating penicillin, I don't think he deserves it. By chance, mould spores landed in a culture plate while he was on holiday; he noticed that they killed harmful bacteria, experimented some and wrote an article about it in 1928/29, and did nothing more, not realising the potential for penicillin nor developing it further.

It wasn't until 1937, when Ernst Chain, Howard Florey, and Norman Heatly came along, that his paper emerged from obscurity and people began working on the drug. The team of men slowly devised methods for extracting and purifying penicillin despite having little funding, eventually gathering enough to start tests on mice and, at last, people. Their perseverance after the first two patients died* helped many people with smaller ailments and then cured someone with meningitis, which before had been certain death.

At this point, though, Fleming steps into the scene again. He went public with Florey & co.'s discoveries, and got all the credit. The spotlight meant that government funding — from both England and America — was poured into research and production, but that would have happened anyway when the group had enough results to be sponsored by a pharmaceutical company. Fleming was honoured several times for his supposed contributions despite doing little work.

The effects of penicillin then and now are great; by the 1944 D-Day landings there was enough to treat all wounded soldiers there, deaths in the war are thought to have been reduced by 12-15% with the use of penicillin, later the US military used 20,000 doses a month (IIRC), and it was the first antibiotic. However, in all, Fleming's part was small and due to chance. He is greatly overcredited in the public mind, and I think either he should be removed and Florey, Heatly, and Chain added. I can't think of a way to include them all without using this giant post.
10:42:32 PM May 27th 2012
I respectfully ask that you restore the CMOA Sections for History, War and Politics.

Those stories deserve to be told, even if, and especially because, they actually happened.

Tropes can apply just as well to nonfiction as to fiction - and the stories you have deleted so callously were proof positive that Real Life can be Awesome.
09:54:49 AM Mar 6th 2012
Most of the Animal examples seem to be generic gushing about species that are awesome, not specific cases where individuals have a moment of awesome. A lot of those ought to be moved to Badass, IMO, apart from the viral videos and similar specific anecdotes of individual animals' awesome feats.
05:11:46 AM Jan 30th 2012
edited by Manet
Wait, hang on.

So the Awesome section about war - about the courage, heroism, and humanity that appears in the blackest of conflicts, has been removed...

...yet the Bible gets its own section, with things about how awesome God apparently is for wiping out a city and genociding the population?

I'm sorry, but what the hell? Explain this nonsense. This is BS of the highest order.
05:15:51 AM Jan 30th 2012
Not really. As far as this site is concerned, The Bible is considered literature, therefore within our scope of what we're about: cataloging tropes in fiction.
09:03:09 AM Jan 30th 2012
Shouldn't the Bible get its own tab or sub-page in Literature then, instead of being listed on the main page?
03:58:07 PM Dec 16th 2011
...Didn't there used to be a section for "War"? Y'know, American Revolution, Civil War, WWI (WWII had its own section, I remember), Korea & Vietnam, Gulf, etc.?
04:40:00 AM Dec 24th 2011
edited by Hamhammer
There was a whole section on World War 2, and a couple others IIRC. They were pretty impressive, and they've been nuked... what, twice now? Did I just miss the discussion?

edit: So, digging through the forum, it looks like the C Mo A for WW2 was nuked because we don't want Real Life examples for C Mo A. Is there a reason we kept the Sports, Animals, and Other categories?
06:50:08 PM Jan 17th 2012
I wish they'd restore the war section. Most of the examples were undeniably awesome, especially the one about the Japanese Admiral calling his american opponent "a true shogun". Moments like that you can't make up, and I can hardly see how people, on either side, could be offended.
02:29:09 PM Mar 6th 2012
Yyyeah, I'm all in favor of restoring the war section, especially WWII. It deserved the spot.
11:38:50 AM Apr 30th 2012
I thought it as a nice little way to honour the feats and sacrifices made by millions for our freedom, whoever removed it should be ashamed of themselves. Put ti back right now.
06:54:34 AM Dec 1st 2011
edited by Kate
Did Auxdarastrix discuss it with anyone before removing 90% of the content on this page? I thought the point of a YMMV entry was to post what individuals thought was awesome/funny/sad/heartwarming without worrying about whether the context might be sensitive - are we really going to be restricted to animals and sports now?
08:48:26 PM Dec 5th 2011
I agree, it was kind of overzealous — I can see why war examples might be flame bait, but is it really that controversial to call Pterry's knighthood or the moon landing "awesome"?
08:06:55 PM Dec 8th 2011
No examples from "war, politics, or religion?" Ok, fine, cut out about 70% of the awesome stuff people do.

AND HOW THE HELL IS THE MOON LANDING NOT AWESOME?! Justify THAT, and then I'll stop bitching!
05:39:47 AM Dec 9th 2011
I'd just chime in that if we're not supposed to mention things where people died... why are there the Heroic Sacrifice and Dying Moment of Awesome and Last Dance pages?

Rule of three. How the Moon Landing was not awesome, or how the Apollo 13 rescue was not awesome, needs justification. Sadly, I doubt whoever nuked these pages will reply to us.

  • shrugs* Luckily, being crazy prepared, I saved the WW2 page a few months back. We can restore it. We have the examples. XD
12:33:11 AM Dec 10th 2011
BTW, quick question - just who is Auxdarastrix anyway?
03:39:33 AM Dec 13th 2011
I've reposted the nuked contest! :3
05:34:30 PM Oct 28th 2011
A brief first-person recount of a (black) buddy of mine curbstomping a Nazi. (replacing Troper Tales) We ran before the police got there. It was quick, too. It was me and two friends, and we just tackled him and starting punching him. He tried getting up and punched my one friend off of him, but the other kicked him in the stomach and smashed his head into the street light. I, of course, had to get the last lick, so I said a nice little slur and curb-stomped his face down. Thankfully, barely anyone was there that day, so we just ran into a nearby alley, waited about ten seconds, and then walked into my buddy's car and drove away like nothing happened. Damn.
08:57:27 AM Apr 9th 2011
About that guy comparing the Israeli/Palestian conflict to the Nazi situation.Some people see as a dethroning moment of suck.I am a supporter of Israel but before you cry that I see Israel as a perfect angel who could do no wrong.I believe that Israel is more a grey figure that makes alot of bad decisions and should treat the Palestians better plus understand their situation.However,people who defend Palenstine sometimes just make it too Black and White sometimes.Palestine needs great humanitarian effort but we also need to root out terrorists who call for the total destruction and ethnic cleansing of the Israeli state.Yes,Israel should clean up its act and not try to hurt any more civilians plus they must feel smypathy for the people suffering during war.However,Palestine is not getting off that easy either because this conflict is very grey.Plus Israel doesn't want to wipe out the Palestians but wipe out the terrorists that are causing the problem.Yes,Israel should learn to stop builing houses where Palestians are and have the soldiers treat the civilians and protesters better.However,comparing them to the Nazis just puts an awful godwins law that will not help things.What needs to be done is Israel must have better leaders who can defeat Hamas but have sympathy for the Palestinian civilians.Sorry,that I got on my soap box but having that guy's statement be an amow isn't for me one.
07:32:04 PM Jul 20th 2011
Whatever you think of the rights or wrongs of the Arab-Israeli conflict, there's nothing particularly awesome about a tenured professor on a stage with a microphone ripping into an undergrad. It just does not meet the definition of a C Mo A, and so I have removed it.
06:59:14 AM Jan 21st 2011
could some one write up a entery for Kurt Denke's letter?
08:41:08 AM Jan 21st 2011
Who's letter? About what?
10:26:55 PM Sep 18th 2010
Did this get nuked or something? It had a lot more examples last time I saw it.
11:25:45 PM Sep 18th 2010
You are probably thinking of Heartwarming.Real Life
05:56:18 PM Oct 2nd 2010
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This page used to be a Moment of Awesome in its own right. I would look her to see inspiring stories that left me feeling better about humanity. But you have RUINED that experience, by being pathetic beurocratic dickshits.
05:18:00 AM Oct 8th 2010
Where the hell are all the sporting examples?
03:15:59 AM Oct 14th 2010
I have also been noticing that a lot of pages that once had tons of examples like the one for lampshading are now just summarys.
11:22:13 AM Oct 14th 2010
This page definitely did get nuked at some point, then restarted. I'm not sure why - if there was a discussion, I missed it. I do seem to remember that quite a few of the examples were highly debatable, if not outright Flame Bait. But, given how inspiring the page was as a whole, if that was the reason I'd much rather have seen the page severely pruned than deleted.
10:00:28 PM Dec 5th 2011
Pretty disappointed to see the CMoA for WWII gone, but there was a discussion to cut it at least (not sure about the whole page) and cut it was. Sad. That said,

  • ... pathetic beurocratic (sp) dickshits

is probably part of the reason. We should probably consider ourselves lucky that the entry wasn't just outright locked.
01:24:41 AM Feb 19th 2012
Oh my GOD, where did all the awesome go? :(
12:06:19 AM Jun 7th 2012
I really, really miss the World War 2 examples.
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