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Well actually, razorrozar7 in the Black Butler manga, they are the two with the same name and the're twins. However "Ciel" is the real Ciel Phantomive and the true heir to the Phantomhive company, who appears in Chapter 129 &130. The other Ciel, who is the protagonist and appears in both the anime and manga adaptions, is not the true Ciel. They are completely different people.

I have no idea the Ciel who pretends to be his twin brother real name is. His real name might be revealed in the next or future chapters since the manga only released new chapters by monthly.

If this is too confusing, try reading chapter 129 and 130 of Black Butler/Kuroshitsuji manga online.

edited 26th Jul '17 5:24:08 PM by AzuraBlu22

Oh, no, Azura, it's not an issue with anything you said, I'll be more than happy to help you once I figure this out. I just don't know what wiki policy is regarding two characters in a work with the same name, that have no in-universe way of differentiating themselves (like, say, Shepard, Clone Shepard, and VI Shepard from Mass Effect). I notice you used quotation marks (Ciel vs. "Ciel"), but I don't think that would be sufficient on the actual page. ~nombretomado, you around? Insight would be appreciated.

It's not the best method, but as a temporary clarification it would work. Like so: "There is a pretender who also goes by 'Ciel', whose given name is not revealed. They..."

razorrozar7 and nombretomado, I am so sorry for confusing you too. It just on the Kuroshitsuji wiki, there are two separate character pages with same name. Does that means I should change the name to 'Ciel Phantomhive or Ciel's twin brother' in the Black Butler-Manga Only Characters page?

Here the link about the two Ciels:

• Ciel Phantomhive
• 'Ciel Phantomive'

edited 26th Jul '17 6:53:16 PM by AzuraBlu22

No, I think that would be too cumbersome. Does the page have folders? Maybe the 'true' Ciel can be put in a Spoiler Character folder, since it sounds like his reveal is supposed to be a pretty big Wham Episode.

Yes they do. The True Ciel name folder seems alright and I like it. You can find his file name on Black Butler: Manga Characters Only page.

edited 26th Jul '17 7:42:08 PM by AzuraBlu22

Alright, that works. Now for the corrections:

Tanaka:

Secret-Keeper: In the "Blue Cult" arc, Tanaka knows that Ciel has a twin brother; he's kept the Phantomhive family secret for fifteen years.

Ciel Phantomhive:

Heroic B.S.O.D.: Ciel suffers this again after his unexpected reunion with his twin brother, the true Ciel Phantomhive. Replacement Sibling: Ciel believes himself to be "the spare" to the true Ciel Phantomhive, heir to Earl Phantomhive. It's implied that he only thinks himself to be his twin's replacement in case he died. This is why he took his brother's name and identity.

Black Butler - Manga Only Characters True Ciel Phantomhive

Identical Stranger: It's been confirmed that True Ciel is Ciel's twin brother. (Note: this is a zero-context example. It explains why they're identical, but not why they're strangers or how they met.) Strong Family Resemblance: True Ciel strongly resembles his father, Vincent, including inheriting his eyes. Sadist: He claims he cares for Ciel, but judging by his dark expression and tone, he enjoys tormenting his twin and making him suffer. It 's strongly implied that he did this because his brother stole his identity.

edited 26th Jul '17 7:29:04 PM by razorrozar7

Ok Re-corrected ultimate version For One-Punch Man: Villains & Monsters Under "monster association (monster raid arc)" if someone is so nice to edit for me <—Btw, could be renamed "Monster Association (Manga)"

Please, don't let my efforts go to waste....

razorrozar7 thank you for editing my grammars, but also for Identical Stranger when you said it's has zero example, does that means I should add Subverted instead of it been confirmed or change it to something else that fit the description? I don't think he's the Evil Twin yet until he is confirmed to be one in the manga adaption.

Touken Ranbu character page, before I can add it. I can't tell if this quote makes senses or not since someone translate Japanese to English from Touken Ranbu wiki.

"I'm called Mouri Toushirou, named that because I was in the Mouri clan. From now on let's join forces and do our best!"

No, I just mean indicate how they met and maybe their reactions to being identical.

Re: quote, I would render it as:

"My name is Mouri Toushirou, so called because (either "I'm" or "I was", depending on whether they're currently in it or not) in the Mouri clan. From now on let's join forces and do our best!"

@simonsolly: Edit made.

Actually Mouri Toushirou is a young boy.

I think the quote: "My name is Mouri Toushirou, so called because I was in the Mouri clan. From now on let's join forces and do our best!" sounds right.

Oh I think I get it what you mean about the two Ciels. They was born on the same day and raise together by their parents. So it alright to add what you corrected then, " It's been confirmed that True Ciel is Ciel's twin brother."

Right, that's the Identical part. You still need to add some indication that they weren't raised together and only met much later to explain the Stranger part. Something like "Identical twins, but they didn't meet until they were (whatever age they were when they met)."

Oh! So that means that should delete the Identical Stranger part and replace with Identical twins instead. Also the quote you corrected does it sounds alright and okay to add it to the Touken Ranbu Character page?

The quote looks fine. Re: identical stranger, I don't think you're quite getting what I mean. In order for it to not be a ZCE, you need to explain (A) why they're identical and (B) why they're strangers. If you just put it in the form I mentioned in my last post, it should be fine.

Anyway, Identical Twins is not a trope, it's chairs.

Oh! I think I got it. You mean like the reason the True Ciel and Ciel greatly resemble each other was because they are actually twin brothers; born in the same family. Does this sentence sounds right?

edited 28th Jul '17 10:09:05 AM by AzuraBlu22

Okay, a few more additions for Brooklyn Nine-Nine:

• Dirty Cop: The Nine Nine often face police officers less ethical than they are, but some push this into outright corruption:
  • Deputy Commissioner Podolski, initially appears to be a downplayed example, as he transparently uses his position to ensure his delinquent son gets away with causing hundreds of dollars’ worth of vandalism damage to police cars. However, it was later heavily implied he is in fact in the pocket of a local Corrupt Bureaucrat with ties to drug smuggling, and has links to the mob. To the point he tried to destroy Jake’s career when he investigated said bureaucrat.
  • Deputy Chief Madeline Wunch is a downplayed example, as while she’s not outright corrupt she shamelessly abuses her position to make Holt’s life miserable as part of their petty rivalry. She is also perfectly willing to organise a fake Internal Affairs investigation simply to get dirt on Holt. And makes it abundantly clear in the season two finale, she’ll happily destroy Jake, Amy, Rosa, Charles and Terry’s careers just to beat Holt.
  • Corrupt FBI Agent Bob Annderson, while posing as Holt’s friend and a dedicated agent, he is in fact in the pocket of Jimmy the Butcher Figgis, and outright willing to commit murder in his service to him.
  • Lieutenant Melanie Hawkins manages to make all the previously police examples look like upstanding officers of the law by comparison. Publically revealed as one of the NYPD’s best cops who chase the most dangerous criminals, she is secretly the mastermind behind New York’s most notorious gang of bank robbers, and in charge of a massive criminal conspiracy, purely to line her own pockets. She also happily uses Police Brutality to keep people in line, is addicted to cocaine and successfully manages to frame Jake and Rosa for her crimes.

edited 27th Jul '17 7:42:35 PM by MGD107

Touken Ranbu Character page:

"Houchou Toushirou":

Cool Helmet: Houchou wears a samurai-like helmet in his Kiwame form.

"Mouri Toushirou":

Friend to All Children: He really love children very much and gets along with them very much. He even calls them cute and worries for their safety.

Meaningful Name: Mori meanings "forest" in Japanese. However, in Latin, it means "death".

edited 29th Jul '17 7:33:47 AM by AzuraBlu22

@ MGD 107

• However, it was later -> However, it is later (How to Write an Example - Write in Historical Present Tense.)
• implied he is in fact -> implied that he is in fact
• smuggling, and has -> smuggling and has
• To the point he tried to destroy (sentence fragment) -> He tried to destroy
• downplayed example, as while -> downplayed example. While
• outright corrupt she shamelessly -> outright corrupt, she shamelessly
• And makes it abundantly clear (sentence fragment) -> She makes it abundantly clear
• two finale, she’ll happily -> two finale that she’ll happily

• Corrupt FBI Agent Bob Annderson, while -> Corrupt FBI Agent Bob Annderson. While
• and outright willing to commit murder in his service ->
  • and is outright willing to commit murder while in (?) service

• she is secretly the mastermind behind New York’s most notorious gang of bank robbers, and ->
  • she is secretly the mastermind behind New York’s most notorious gang of bank robbers and

@Azura Blu 22

• He really love children very much and gets along with them very much. ->
  • He really loves children very much and gets along with them very well.
• He even calls them cute and worries for their safety. ->
  • He even calls them "cute" and worries about their safety.
• Mori meanings "forest" in Japanese. -> Mori means "forest" in Japanese.

edited 29th Jul '17 9:38:19 AM by Arivne

Hi razorrozar7, I have some grammars if whether or not if it sounds right to put it.

Touken Ranbu Character page

Houchou Toushirou:

• Character Development:For Kiwame training, Houcho travels to Edo. Through his letters to the Saniwa, he thinks if he trains and get stronger, he will be popular with married women. He somehow infiltrated Edo castle and meet his former master,Tokugawa Ieyasu so that he can learn secret tricks to his popularity with married women from him. Afterward, he was very disappointing that he didn't anything from his former master beside being a powerful person in Edo. Houchou decides to trainin his own pace before he can return to the citadel.
• Power of Love:Justified. After his Kiwame training, he thinks the power of being popular with married women will make him stronger.

edited 30th Jul '17 9:21:57 AM by AzuraBlu22

Character Development:For Kiwame training, Houcho travels to Edo. Through his letters to the Saniwa, he thinks if he trains and get stronger, he will be popular with married women. He somehow infiltrates Edo Castle and meets his former master,Tokugawa Ieyasu, so that he can learn secret tricks to boost his popularity with married women. Afterward, he was very disappointed that he didn't learn anything from his former master beside how to be a powerful person in Edo. Houchou decides to train at his own pace before he returns to the citadel.

Power of Love:Justified. After his Kiwame training, he thinks the power of being popular with married women will make him stronger. (This one looks good as-is.)

There's noticeable improvement between this post and your previous ones. Keep up the good work.

edited 30th Jul '17 9:21:11 AM by razorrozar7

Thank you, but razorrozar7 I forgot to add something. I'm not sure if this sounds right.

Katsugeki Touken Ranbu: Heartwarming page: "The Fires of War":

• Mutsunokami looked very exciting of getting his chance to sail on an actual ship. With granted permission by his captain, Izuminokami.
• In the sixth episode preview, "The Citadel", despite Yagen and Tsurumaru serious segment, Tsurumaru certain that both Tonbokiri and the others will be alright. It's good that he hasn't given up hope and there a chance they will survive from their serious injuries.

edited 30th Jul '17 5:32:48 PM by AzuraBlu22

Mutsunokami looks very excited to get his chance to sail on an actual ship. With permission from' his captain, Izuminokami.

In the sixth episode preview, "The Citadel", despite Yagen and Tsurumaru's serious segment, Tsurumaru is certain that Tonbokiri and the others will be alright.

Katsugeki Token Ranbu:

• Foreshadowing: In the first trailer, it shows the entire town of Edo consumed in a sea of fire. It was a hint that something bad was about to happen.
  • It is confirmed in the episode 5, where the Revisionists came up another plan and succeed of changing history by burning Edo to the ground.

• Although the conversation between Konnosuke and the Second Unit after he made a pocket watch is pretty funny, but it also put the other members at the disadvantage since he can only make one. It meaning that would hard time for everyone of not knowing the time where the Revisonist will make their next move except for their captain, Izuminokami, who is charge of carrying it instead.

• At the end of "The Fires of War", this end ups becoming an Downer Ending, where the Second Unit were forced to retreat back to the Citadel by Konnosuke. The history been alter greatly, many lives were lost, and half of the Second Unit, horribly injured from the battle.

edited 1st Aug '17 11:50:30 AM by AzuraBlu22