Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 20th Jan 2020)

Was Playing Gertrude recently moved from Trivia to regular trope? It seems odd to have it there and not together with its sister trope Dawson Casting.

Cut Song and Hide Your Pregnancy can probably be called now. If Cut Song is trivia, I think Rewritten Pop Version should be, too (speaking as the sponsor of both tropes).

I'm a bit wary of calling Dear Negative Reader trivia. Sometimes it shows up in Paratext, rather than creators' Twitter accounts and the like.

I'm nominating Franchise Zombie. It describes itself as a subtrope of Executive Meddling and Cash-Cow Franchise (both of them already trivia), and is about behind-the-scenes creator responses to their own works going on longer than they would like.

edited 19th Jun '15 9:11:23 AM by Morgenthaler

^ I would like to make a similar case for Focus Group Ending.

Bump.

How about Overtook the Manga? It requires knowledge of the original work (the manga) and being able to compare release dates. While it does have some affect on narrative via creating filler, I don't feel like it's a trope.

Have Making Use of the Twin been discussed? The page is basically about using an actor's identical twin when they need to portray them as clones.

I can't fathom why Casting Gag isn't already considered Trivia. Adding it to the list.

^ It was on the list at Trivia 4 but either it didn't make the move to Trivia 5 or was voted down unanimously later.

Can somebody explain why Science Marches On and Technology Marches On are Trivia while Society Marches On is not?

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edited 29th Jul '15 5:50:53 PM by eroock

Anyone want to add "Sesame Street" Cred to the crowner?

Considering the length of the current crowner, shouldn't it be replaced with a new one, so we can vote on these new suggestions?

Seeing that Written-In Infirmity has become Trivia, what about related tropes like Real Life Writes the Plot and Ripped from the Headlines?

Real Life Writes the Plot is trivia the way I see it, since it's usually not visible from within the show.

Ripped from the Headlines is a little trickier, since that's sometimes acknowledged in the meta text in the show (such as dedication afterword). On the other hand, that's not a requirement.

I would support making Making Use of the Twin trivia, being another behind-the-scenes casting item. There's even a current Trivia-designated ykttw for the opposite, Playing Their Own Twin.

Added into the crowner

Per an ATT discussion, Scunthorpe Problem should be added to the crowner.

Per a different ATT thread I nominate All There in the Manual to be added to the crowner, on the grounds that the stuff in the manual is outside the scope of the work itself. To quote another poster from that discussion, who expressed it better than I can:

->"The vast majority of people who experience the work will not seek out any expanded material that may be associated with it, such as the book, the liner notes, interviews with the writer, etc. The purpose of All There in the Manual is to call out the content that is only found in such material; it is as much Trivia as Word of God."

edited 19th Sep '15 11:20:14 AM by randomsurfer

I would consider the manual to be a an extension of the same work for the sake of our purposes, unless you really want to start setting up separate work pages for manuals. At minimum, you can say it is part of the same franchise, and as often as not our work pages really cover multi-work franchises.

edited 21st Sep '15 7:34:57 AM by Catbert

I think that if it's in the manual or something like that, it's in canon, within the work, and therefore it's not trivia, which is outside the work.

Personally, I think Shown Their Work should be trivia, since it involves the creators knowing or studying about a subject that's applied to the work. Should it?

Not really. Shown Their Work is not just the author knowing things about the subject, but also representing them in the work as accurately to the real deal as possible, and I think it's something you can tell from the work itself without having to know the author's research pursuits.

It's borderline. It relies on context external to the work, which indicates a Trivia item, but is also something noticeable in the work itself ("Man, this portrayal of seagull flight is amazing!").

The important part, however, is that it's based on the creator doing the research (as opposed to not doing the research but getting it right anyway), and as such, belongs in the same general category as other research-related tropes. Of course, some of those are main, some are YMMV, and some are Trivia, which doesn't help much.

edited 29th Sep '15 7:23:56 AM by Fighteer

I'm trying to decide whether I should add Get Back in the Closet to the crowner. The pro and con here is that it's basically a duplicate of Gay Panic (which already has the Trivia tag). On one hand, the two really need to be merged (probably a TRS thing, but can't do anything there), but on the other hand one has it, so the other should as well. (And that's not getting into the debate of which name they should be merged under...)

This thread needs to stop dying.

Any thoughts in Author Appeal? It's about things put into a work because the author likes them. I'd add it to the crowner but it's kinda full.

edited 11th Oct '15 8:47:07 PM by Karxrida