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I just checked; seems it's "Birthday Boy."

Owlman: Ever get a writeup?

EDIT: And looks like the changes for DC are done (deleting Genocide and Alkyone; a few minor stylistic changes) :) Any DC adds besides Cobblepot, Poison, and maybe Owlman; or Marvel adds besides Contagion (who needs a writeup)?

EDIT 2: And maybe make it Mayor Oswald Cobblepot?

edited 17th Jul '13 3:40:16 PM by ACW

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About Arcade, maybe a bit late, but it might be worth mentioning it's a pretty big debate among fans whether he's going to actually succeed in killing anyone, with the fandom consensus seeming to be "no," especially since last issue revealed he was keeping the bodies of the "dead" ones in stasis for some unknown but undoubtedly sinister purpose.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."

My slight cleanup of Cobblepot:

In Batman Earth One, Mayor Oswald Cobblepot ^note The Penguin's real name, although he is not referred to as such takes Corrupt Politician to new levels. Cobblepot runs Gotham like his own private Mafia and tried to have Thomas Wayne killed for running against him as Mayor. He represses the courts through fear and intimidation, allows crime to run rampant and utilizes an insane Serial Killer called Birthday Boy by providing him with young, female victims. When a judge fails to stop Harvey and Jessica Dent from investigating him, Cobblepot has the judge's eldest daughter given to Birthday Boy in payment for the assassination of a corrupt officer who has become a liability, promising that should he fail again, the judge's younger daughter will be next. When he finally confronts Batman, Cobblepot tries to slice him to pieces with a sword umbrella, laughing about the corrupt nature of Gotham City and how his only regret was that a mugger got to Thomas Wayne before his plan went off.

edited 19th Jul '13 2:51:59 AM by ACW

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Here a further update for the first sentance.

• In Batman Earth One, Mayor Oswald Cobblepot^note The Penguin's real name, although he is not referred to as such takes Corrupt Politician to new levels.

edited 18th Jul '13 2:22:32 PM by randomtroper89

Just a minor style note, but if his identity is a real secret, I'd suggest using spoiler markup in parentheses rather than displaying the info in a note. Looks good otherwise, though I'm not familiar with the storyline.

I see that O'Phelan from SoA was approved and added while I was away, so I'm moving on to the next work I think needed looking over.

The 2009 sci-fi action movie Gamer lists a complete Zero Context Example (name only) of Ken Castle (Michael C. Hall), the Big Bad. Didn't like the movie all that much, but after considering them I believe both him and the Dragon Hackman (Terry Crews) would actually readily qualify as CMs. They're both individually so bad and miles above anyone else in the film that they're fairly easy candidates.

• Ken Castle is a billionaire technology designer in a dystopian future. He develops an artificial environment called "Society" where users can remote control other people (all of whom have no control over their own body while inside and only volunteer because they need the money and feel disgusted by it) to do any depraved thing they want with their avatars short of plain murder. Then he indulges people in even that desire as well when he offers the government a solution to the prison overcrowding by creating a second game called "Slayers", in which prisoners have to fight to the death in an enclosed warzone under the control of more remote players. Any prisoner who can survive 30 rounds will supposedly be freed, but Castle reneges on this arrangement when the hero Kable is close to winning, and sets him up to be killed. His ultimate goal, revealed late in the film, is his secret extension of the mind control nanotech they use on the "characters" in the games to the general population so he will be in personal control of 100 million people in short time, and eventually make everyone in the world his slave, robbing them of anything even resembling free will. He uses this power to control Kable's body and tries to force him to slit his little girl's throat. He is utterly bereft of empathy, to the point he sees people only as things and laughs off every one of his minions who die for him.

• Hackman is an enormous inmate in Kable's prison who went on a massive killing spree just so he could be locked up and personally enjoy the carnage in Slayers. He arranges with Castle to remove the mind control on himself so he has an advantage over the other prisoners and can kill Kable himself. He kills another prisoner for no reason than to show Kable the resulting blood on his hands, and threatens to pay a visit to the two "whores" Kable has on the outside, namely his wife and daughter. Through the rest of the film he just keeps murdering people (especially innocents) left and right, clearly deriving sadistic joy from all the crimes he commits with his own hands.

edited 18th Jul '13 2:38:40 PM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Sorry for pushing this, are there any other opinions on the laconic? ACW and Lightysnake agreed, but that's a bit little.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Ambar agreed, too, so that makes four of us.

Hated the movie, but those two qualify

I'VE HEARD OF THAT MOVIE! From what I understand it's almost exactly the same as The Condemned in that, despite being extremely violent itself, is a tract against fictional violence. Because if you like violent movies, guys like Castle and Hackman will take over the world... or something.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."

Ah, slipped my mind. Yes, I support the laconic changes you suggested, so that makes five.

edited 18th Jul '13 3:10:06 PM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

OK, did the edit and will request closure.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

@Morgenthaler: I think he's referring to the fact that Oswald Cobblepot is normally called "The Penguin" but in this comic he goes by his real name.

Correct.

Also, is he a Sleazy Politician, a Corrupt Politician, or both?

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Corrupt Politician and Sleazy Politician are not really well differentiated, but I think Corrupt Politician is the one we want. There should also be a link to Mayor Pain in there somewhere. Perhaps "Mayor Oswald Cobblepot takes Corrupt Politician to new levels"?

edited 18th Jul '13 8:34:53 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

I'd like to include the nameless Taco Bell employee from the Gravity Falls fanfic, Dipper Goes to Taco Bell (I'd post a link to the fanfic, but it is pretty NSFW). When he encounters Mabel in the men's restroom, he brutally slices her, and the author goes into gruesome detail about how he bludgeons Mabel to death. It should be noted that the fanfic stated that he had a soul and it was shown when he gives her a Mercy Kill, this does nothing to humanize him. To cut to the point, he cuts her and the corpse of her brother Dipper up and grinds them into what appears to be taco meat. He then cleans the stalls up for the next victim to arrive. Essesiantially, he would be Pinkamena if she were a human. And for further doubts, I recommend that you search for the fanfic and read it.

Is this one of those "X goes to Y" Black Comedy Rape meme things? If so NO with extreme prejudice.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."

I just watched Fantastic Mr. Fox, and I didn't need to to say this is a bad write-up

• Complete Monster: Bean. He's even described as being the scariest one among the three farmers.

—>Badger: He's as skinny as a pencil, as smart as a whip, and possibly the scariest man currently living.

I did copy and paste it into You Monster! on the main page.

Here's his crimes for those unfamiliar: Bogus Bunce and Bean are three mean farmers whom the titular Mr. Fox steals from. They then resort to extreme measures to kill Fox and his family/friends. They try to drown him, shoot him, and blow him up. In context, Mr. Fox has been sneaking into three farmer's farms, killing their chickens (as well as Geese, and possibly turkeys) and stealing from them, and now their trying to kill him, not really monstrous. Bean hunts animals, and has trophies, that's where that line comes from. The thing that makes Bean stick out from the other farmers is that he leads them and at one point breaks into a car (to move it slightly).

There is some confusion as to the crimes, seeing as they're just guilty of trying to kill some forest animals. Mr. Fox and Bean do communicate in the movie, showing that Humans can understand animals, which just confuses me, as killing an animal isn't considered murder, and the news crew even film the progress of the farmers. In addition Mr. Fox kills several chickens, who aren't considered sentient by the films laws, so they're deaths don't seem to amount to anything. What is that, Furry Confusion?

Anyway, I think it's a bad example.

EDIT: laconic looks good.

Gamer, only saw the Bad Movie Beatdown review on that, Castle looked really goofy, but he and hackman seem like qualifiers from what I've seen and what you wrote.

edited 19th Jul '13 1:51:56 AM by DrPsyche

14600: That seems good.

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No, it's not Black Comedy Rape. I suggest you read it.

edited 19th Jul '13 7:27:31 AM by AustinDR

If you describe it as "Essentially, Pinkamena but human", I am going to say no as it would be comedic.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

@ ACW: Gotcha.

@ Dr. Psyche: Both Gamer actors were in fact Chewing the Scenery like crazy throughout the whole thing, but since their actual crimes were played for complete horror they still pass in my mind.

On the topic of You Monster!, is there a need to add this item to the In Universe Examples Only index? There's a clear notice in both pages enunciating the In-Universe difference between the two.

edited 19th Jul '13 8:20:03 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Would the Stitch Sisters from Courage the Cowardly Dog count? They are not comedic at all. They force Muriel make a quilt as big as a football field in order to get into their club, and when she does, they sew her into their magic quilt where she floats in a void of nothingness. She would have been there for eternity if Courage hadn't saved her. It's heavily implied that the Stitch Sisters have been doing this for millennia, as evidenced by the images on the Computer and the women from different time periods floating in the void. The Stitch Sisters seem to really enjoy what they're doing, laughing and all.

edited 19th Jul '13 9:31:15 AM by katz

Isn't that a Black Comedy? You need a pretty nasty villain to break through that barrier.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

and Well, we DO have Katz from that show (as well as Eddy's brother), so it IS possible. The real question I guess is, are the Sisters as heinous as Katz?

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@ 14607: Yeah, I figured as much. Castle seems worse, but Hackman manages to be bad with all the resources at his own disposal, both get from me.

I would say the Taco Bell employee was like Pinkamena, but unlike her, he has no comedic quirks. Just trying to clear that up. I'm not trying to say he counts, just trying to present the evidence.