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I apologize. My tone is hard to put across here. I'm limited in posting ability to next Wednesday so I'm forced to post short and quick ones here. This makes then sound worse than intended Also if one judges Ta'a chums by standards of where she appears? She can easily qualify. The books are quite distinct from the films. And again on montross. We treat video games as separate completely as different works. The only thing that counts is the bounty hunter game for him. Same reason Andrei just counted despite being totally typical in the 'normal' world if darkness setting. In the sourcebooks he be downright tame. Montross also demonstrates that no casualty will deter him if he wants something. A space station contains tons of sentiments an he kills them all without a thought solely to get one guy. This is just the extent of his means. It's te same reason we have freeza and mercenary Tao on the same page As for nihilus. He is indeed explored more in the supplements. While he is a slave to his hunger he doesn't exactly fail to enjoy it. And his specific targeting of visas and cutting out her eye sockets is very...calculated
edited 28th Dec '12 2:32:31 PM by Lightysnake
love lockdown, you lose.Not a problem. I just want to make it clear where I'm coming from as well. I do feel that, though the books are separate from the films, which I realize, if someone in the books is not as heinous as someone in a film marketed extensively towards children, then they shouldn't count.
I am not familiar with Montross. For Palpatine, I said many times that he counts. Maybe he should be mentioned on the first page, because he keeps popping out even though, this thread made it clear that he qualifies. Nihilus? I am in favor of allowing him, but I might listen to the arguments against.
Even if the films are for kids I think that Palpatine and Tarkin have actions that are so insanely psychotic that it eclipsed a ton. If chume was in a film I would agree but the separate media..:I mean palpatine is responsible for genocide. So is Tarkin. I think that's a scale that disqualifies solid examples from different works ok the same verse
The films are not for kids actually. And if they would be, the actions of those guys would rate the film PG.
@6211 OK, cool, that was the impression I got from what I read. Re:Sauron, you got my 'vote' now, it that means anything. I know you prefer arguments to votes, but I cannot think of anything to say that has not already been said.
love lockdown, you lose.The films are rated PG - PG-13 in the US, for what it's worth. That's what passes for 'kid's film' in the US.
Revenge of the LemursIs it weird that if we had to chop one of either Sidious or Tarkin, I'd rather chop Sidious? There's a couple remote All There in the Manual sources that imply he at least thinks he's the good guy here and genuinely believes the Sith would run the Galaxy better than the Republic. And Word of God actually has said they're for kids, though it might be worth mentioning he only said that after he was accused of writing annoying Kid Appeal Characters.
edited 28th Dec '12 3:02:28 PM by HamburgerTime
A Wizard boyWe already discarded this argument. Palpatine isn't really doing it for the good, and Knight Templar isn't an auto-exclusion to Complete Monster.
edited 28th Dec '12 3:04:12 PM by SeptimusHeap
Revenge of the LemursWasn't trying to make an argument, just state an opinion on what we'd do if we could only have one or the other.
I'll Walk This Empty Northern Hemisphere WideAs an aside, the current OP is getting rather long. Would it be better to toss it in a sandbox, and replace the content with a link?
A Wizard boyPutting the arguments in the "Do Not Even Mention" List in same bullets would help.
love lockdown, you lose.Just because it got lost in the shuffle, potential replacement for the Moriarty example on Live-Action TV/the Sherlock YMMV page needs a few more OK votes/notes before being approved. I am loathe to remove the spoiler, as it's a hugely important event to the S2 cliffhanger. Okay, because comparing Ta'a to the films is appearing to go moot, let's compare her to the other C Ms on the Literature section. Of them:
A Wizard boyI've scrapped Tzeentch from YMMV.Warhammer 40000. Do we have consensus for removing Abbadon and a rewrite for Bile? The current entry is very weak.
Cleric of BanjoIf it's ok, I'm going to delete the examples on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (this was discussed previously at some point), as that is one of those works where everything Crosses the Line Twice. Also, great example of misogynistic bad examples- contrast the evil actions of the male example with the female one.
edited 28th Dec '12 3:35:28 PM by Hodor
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love lockdown, you lose.We removed all of the It's Always Sunny examples from the Live Action page. Torch the YMMV entries, please. And yeah, after all that about Dennis being a sociopath, hearing about someone's mom being smug is... weird.
Cleric of BanjoDone and done. Hope not a problem to interupt, but had two examples saw recently and thought problematic: From Rango:
edited 28th Dec '12 4:10:10 PM by Hodor
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Ironically, the pursuit of the definition of happiness does not appear to be a happiness-maximizing behavior.
love lockdown, you lose.I'm with you on that one Hodor - the Thenardiers in the musical are played completely for laughs, and Msr. Thenardier's "Dog Eats Dog" comes off as more Mood Whiplash than CM-status.
Re: Hellsing, Maxwell is sympathetic-ish, but he does seem to regard Anderson as a father even up until death. Letze's batalion are a group. Doktor: Too much offscreen villainy. Burgalers: Fail heinous standard. Major: Keep, he's a murderous psycho who has no loyalty to his higher ups and seeks only to kill maim, and destroy and also to kill Alucard. He has his men killed without a second thought, and murders his ship's commander when the man protests the pointless deaths. Zorin Blitz: Hard to say, on one hand she isn't the one causing wholesale slaughter, on the other, she's incredibly sadistic, murdering the hellsing guards, and mindraping one into seeing his daughter, before ripping out the illusion and murdering him. Seras was a fairly sadistic murder, cutting down Pip, and maiming/mutilating her all the while showing her the murder of her parents and rape of her mother.
Hyperion from Immortals is listed on the YMMV page and the Film page, but on the main page, he's listed as a Well-Intentioned Extremist
edited 28th Dec '12 5:59:10 PM by TVRulezAgain
@ 6234 I don't know about that. Zeus is bad, but to my knowledge never violates xenia. He also never fed his children to anybody. In fact Zeus, like Ares, is rather protective of his children. In the Tantalus story he's clearly the good guy, and he also has a major Pet the Dog when he resurrects Pelops. The Greek gods are extreme antiheroes, or even outright villain protagonists, but they aren't at the point of making Tantalus (or to my mind, Sisyphus) look good. EDIT: Wow the thread expanded quickly while I was writing this. @ 6240 We would need to add Durge from the comic books to the Star Wars list if we used it. @ 6256 Duly noted. As for wanting to make sure your vote counts, wait until the subject comes up again, and then make your case.
edited 28th Dec '12 6:44:42 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Can somebody please add Yakone to the OP finally?
How does one go about creating a sandbox? I'm thinking of launching one for Mythology and Religion. There's a couple of characters from a few mythos' that I think might qualify.
Revenge of the LemursI'm generally against a mythology page, but if we must have one I think we can exclude demons and Gods of Evil on the principle of that kind of being their job.
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