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Daniel Crimmins. Dig the name, too. Could he not be a crook?

edited 22nd Sep '15 7:53:45 PM by HamburgerTime

to Crimmins and to Saki.

Cummins Saki and, since that discussion didn't amount to anything, Hobie. He doesn't sound bad enough.

Alright! Heinrich finally gets an effortpost.

Who is he? Heinrich von Raitenau the grandson of the previous Trauma center Big Bad Adam and shares the atrocities of the second game with Patrick Mercer, an anti villain made evil by the loss of his wife. Heinrich is a scientist who cares little of others if anything. Though Mercer becomes the true Big Bad as Heinrich falls victim to GUILT himself, he still gets plenty of screentime and as the supplier of GUILT is ultimately the Big Bad.

What has he done?

Heinrich starts the game off by contining from where his grandfather using various Chosen kids and other people as test subjects for GUILT (a deadly internal virus that tears apart your organs created by the terrorist organization Delphi in an attempt to wipe out the mpdern world) to see how effective it is. Several die and the ones who don't are only saved because Dr. Stiles is basically Jesus as a surgeon. Anyway, Heinrich spreads GUILT throughout the world forcing Stiles to come out of retirement. He experiments on his children For Science and uses them as guinea pigs for GUILT not caring that he nearly killed them. (Nearly is only because Derek Stiles intervened) He's got a multitude of attempted murders on his head and several successful onscreen murders from GUILT. He believes that he is to become the God of this new world and sees being compared to his grandfather as a compliment. It's also implied he caused the accident that made Patrick Mercer's wife deathly ill. He also gives GUILT to Angie and forces a Sadistic Choice on Derek: either save his kids or Angie. Derek manages to do both and Heinrich contracts GUILT.

Heinous by the standards of the story/Freudian Excuse?

I would say he's definitely heinous enough given that he's essentially his grandfather only he has no qualms about giving his children GUILT For Science! or giving all his resources to a crazed beurocrat just to watch him terrorize the world and see his research bloom. He is essentially the medical drama version of Dr Josef Mengele. Easy pass. As for Freudian Excuse or other factors, he has no love for his children or wife, and his only "excuse" is that his grandfather's a terrorist, which doesn't hold water when he chooses to emulate said grandfather to a T. Yeah he's utterly loathsome despite not being the Final boss.

Final thoughts?

Honestly having seen a play through of the game, I have no idea how we came to cutting him and I wholeheartedly support his return.

Edit: Late, but a big yes to the moratorium idea. Ambar's teaching me words I'd never think to look up. I'm probably the youngest one here too.

edited 22nd Sep '15 10:56:50 PM by Klavice

Heinrich

@44856: I did all the write-ups and most of the proposals for JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Yes to a moratorium, no to any permanent rule.

Has Dark Souls ever been discussed here? I might have a proposal or two.

Lightysnake, my effort posts are usually good, but in this case, I don't have a lot to work with. The worst thing someone did in Revenge is put a bomb on Flight 197, which killed 247 people and Trevor Mathis only did it because the Initiative threatened his daughter's life if he didn't and then after the bombing, killed her anyway. I was trying to single out individual members of the Corrupt Corporate Executive group that ran Americon and Trask was the only one who really got his hands dirty in any of it.

Dark Souls has been discussed here. We've tossed out characters like Seath, Petrus and Lautrec, and honestly I'd pretty much any character from that series to date. Too minimalistic in the story that is presented to include much of anyone.

to Henrich and Crimmins.

Henrich and Crimmins.Saki

Crimmins and Heinrich, Saki should be cut

Seconded.
I think he still counts.

edited 23rd Sep '15 8:05:39 AM by ACW

Hmmm, was just re-reading the final chapters of Blood Work and discovered something that I (somehow) missed on my first read-through.

When The Code Killer is revealed to be Crimmins, and Mc Caleb is going over his file, the sheriff informs him they talked to Crimmins' father, and he said he hadn't seen his son in years, but the times he managed to get him on a phone, Crimmins would tell him he was still on the force.

While it seems like he doesn't want his father to know the truth about him washing out, it's never stated why. It could be embarassment (which would be a disqualifying feature), or it could be Pragmatic Villainy, wanting to keep his father from nosing around in his life.

So, I'll leave it up to you guys. I, personally, don't think it redeems him, seeing as it's an Informed Attribute and it could easily be for pragmatic reasons.

edited 23rd Sep '15 7:38:43 AM by Ravok

So, remember Dracula from Department 19? Well, I MAY have another candidate. From the second book, The Rising, Professor Richard Talbot, AKA Christopher Reynolds (real name unknown).
FYI, Department 19's HQ is called the Loop. SPOILER ALERT.

Who is he?
He is the head of Department 19's Lazarus Project, which studies vampires in an attempt to reverse vampirism. However, Talbot is actually trying to find a cure to neutralize vampires' weaknesses (sunlight, etc). In addition, he is a mole for Dracula's Dragon, Valeri Rusmanov.

What has he done?
Well, that science stuff? It involves Cold-Blooded Torture and murder of vampires (including, if he hadn't been stopped, a young child). He had done this previously, and killed his staff using nerve gas, and at the Loop, he killed the rest of Project Lazarus (23 people) using Sarin. His helping Valeri Rusmanov led to the kidnapping of Department 19's director Henry Seward and the death of 68 members of Dept. 19 when Valeri led an army on the Loop; more would've likely died if not for a secret weapon. Several more were injured.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?
None that I can tell. He seems friendly toward Jamie, but this is, as we find out, Faux Affably Evil.

Heinousness?
This is the only tricky spot. He doesn't have the massive body count of Dracula or other vampires, but on the other hand, he is human, and his actions lead to the death of nearly 100. In addition, he tries to kill all the remaining vampires in the Lazarus Project, as part of "tidying up."

Final Verdict?
The only issue is heinousness, but I think that, as a human, he counts.

edited 23rd Sep '15 8:07:22 AM by ACW

Talbot

To Heinrich, Crimmins and Talbot.

Talbot.

Talbot & Crimmins.

to Heinrich and Talbot. Cut Saki.

Since he's been unanimously upvoted (Thus far), here's Crimmins' write-up.

Blood Work: After being rejected from the LAPD for antisocial behavior, Daniel Crimmins, obsessed with being a "somebody" and proving his superiority, became "The Code Killer." Crimmins murdered numerous people in his rampage, sending taunting messages to the police about their inability to stop him, and when Terry McCaleb, Crimmins' appointed "nemesis," experiences a heart failure, Crimmins, refusing to let him die so simply, begins killing organ donors with McCaleb's blood type, knowing this will get him a heart transplant faster. When Crimmins' plan to frame McCaleb for the crimes fails, Crimmins kidnaps Graciela, McCaleb's Love Interest, and her young nephew, with plans to starve them to death by burying them alive, just to torture McCaleb. Even when dying, Crimmins refuses to take the blame for his crimes or reveal the hostages' location to McCaleb. While implied to have an Inferiority Superiority Complex, Daniel Crimmins was ultimately a sadistic and homicidal lunatic who cared about his own "legacy" more than anything else.

edited 23rd Sep '15 2:07:57 PM by Ravok

Heinrich Von Raitenau.

So, Blood Work has a film, and the killer is (In my opinion) worse than in the book. He has quite a few differences with his book counterpart, so should I bother effortposting him?

edited 23rd Sep '15 11:41:18 AM by Ravok

Ravok: Go for it.

Also my wait and see list has a new potential candidate from Gotham, with Jerome Valeska, who is apparently shaping up to be a certain someone from the Batman franchise. But of course, the season just started, so time will tell.

What Lighty said. We can have an entry for each iteration (ala Light Yagami).
I've added him to the watchlist.

Yes to Heinrich, cut Saki. Keep Crimmin and Talbot. Query: Any outstanding writeus besides my own? We need Dr. Banno, but besides...

I have a proposal from the film Vidocq, starring Gerard Depardieu as legendary inspector Vidocq, hunting down the murderer known as the Alchemist. Vidocq is defeated by the killer and is presumed killed, as his biographer Etienne Boisset tries to retrace his steps with the authorities.

Now, here's an effortpost on the Alchemist, AKA... Etienne Boisset

Who IS He and What Does He Do?

A terrifying serial killer with a reflective mask. The Alchemist murders those he comes across in gruesome ways. The Alchemist mostly targets young women, with only one survivor who had her tongue removed. The victims seem to be drained of blood and tortured to death and his lair reveals mutilated human remains.

What's worse is the disturbing evidence that indicates his rampages go back to the Middle Ages. It is revealed Vidocq is alive, and has discovered the truth: the Alchemist is immortal and uses the souls of his victims, that he steals with the mask, to maintain his immortality. However, the mask needs to be renewed every so often, by murdering virgins and using their blood to keep his mask empowered.

And furthermore, the Alchemist is really Etienne himself, retracing Vidocq's steps to eliminate the clues Vidocq had uncovered. Etienne has been alive for centuries, renewing his mask and murdering to trap the souls of his victims in it to empower himself. He also kills Vidocq's partner at the final battle before Vidocq defeats him, but the final scene of the film indicates he may still be alive.

He's the only villain and sets the heinous standard. No excuse beyond hungering for immortality and absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever, and a goddamn enormous body count.

Writeups: I've got Talbot (I think he has enough votes), and then I'll try and create one for Man in the Jeans based on the effortpost. I'll get both of those no later than this weekend.
for The Alchemist (it seems like we see the bodies).