Okay, back when the clean up process was in its infancy, I was talked into allowing Tywin Lannister onto the A Song of Ice and Fire
monster sheet. Here's the entry:
"•Tywin Lannister. He is the man who calculates how much of Gregor's cruelty and horror he needs and applies it, knowing the results perfectly well. Gregor is a monster, but almost animalistic. It is Tywin, by his orders or his indifference, who is responsible for Gregor's worst crimes. He is the one who ordered the deaths of Prince Rhaegar's baby son and toddler daughter and sends Gregor out with orders to rape, pillage, and burn. Tywin's care for his family only extends as far as he can control them: he coldly disowns Jaime when he rejects Tywin's plans and treats Cersei as a political bargaining chip— but it is what he does to Tyrion that pushes him over the edge. When Tyrion, thirteen at the time, was married to a girl named Tysha, Tywin was so disgusted his son married such a common girl, he has his entire garrison brutally rape her...and made Tyrion watch. And have her last. The sheets were soaked in blood by the time Tyrion got to her. Tywin is a capable ruler and administrator, but his callous indifference completely removes any sympathy the readers could have for him."
Here's the problem. First of all, the incident with Tyrion's wife, happened before the book even started, as did his sending Gregor and Amory Lorch to get rid of the last of the Targaryens. So Offscreen Villainy
is a factor here. One could argue that the business with Tyrion's wife is described in such detail by Tyrion that it does qualify, but then we run into another problem: we don't know that it was a rape. Tysha was paid by each of the soldiers, and because of that, Tyrion spent years thinking she had really been a hooker. We find out that she wasn't, but we still don't know if she participated willingly or not in the gangbang. If she did, the worst Tywin is guilty of is being an awful father (and not even the worst one in the series; that's what we have Craster, Randyll Tarly, and Walder Frey for). And even if she didn't—even if it was a rape—I hate to say it, but so what?
In A Song of Ice and Fire
rape is a fairly common occurence. Most soldiers are said to have committed it. Gregor Clegane, Ramsay Snow/Bolton, and Vargo Hoat do it to any woman they encounter. Rorge—who isn't even on the list—regularly rapes young children while wearing full plate mail. In contrast to that, we have one crime that Tywin may or may not have done.
As for the rest—every lord in the Seven Kingdoms uses their daughters as political bargaining chips. Not to mention, it's Cersei
, which makes it Kick the Son of a Bitch
at it's worst (and given that Tywin actually gives her a slate of options) it's not.
Finally we get to the idea that he orders Gregor Clegane to commit atrocities. That's true, but he doesn't give Gregor, or Amory Lorch, or Vargo Hoat, specific instructions. He just turns them loose, knowing what will happen. And that makes him no worse than some of the heroic characters. Robb Stark, an unambiguously "good" guy, not only hires Vargo Hoat away from Tywin, but also makes use of Roose Bolton and Ramsay, who are every bit as vile. Heck, Arya Stark pulls an Enemy Mine
with Rorge and Biter to make her escape from imprisonment. Using bad people to do things for you, is distressingly common behaviour in the setting.
As a final note, Tywin has some good points. As King's Hand he tries to restrain the worst of Aerys' and Joffrey's impulses. He crushes enemies harshly, but then helps them back up after beating them. He's also a fair, if harsh, ruler. You can argue that's Pragmatic Villainy
, but it still puts him miles ahead of a lot of rulers (Joffrey, Aerys, all of the Greyjoys, Cersei). He also deeply loved his wife Joanna (in fact his dislike of Tyrion stems from Tyrion's having killed Joanna during childbirth), tried to prevent his sister from ending up in an unwanted marriage (when he was ten might I add), and has the respect of many throughout the kingdom, including his totally devoted younger brother Kevan. When Tyrion is convicted of killing Joffrey, Tywin, refuses to have him executed on the grounds that they are blood, and instead plans to send him to the wall.
Put succinctly—not heinous by the standards of the setting, and may have some redeeming features. He shouldn't be listed.