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I am guessing in nominate Deus ex Machina. This is a subtrope to Ass Pull, that is ymmv.

Being a subtrope does not mean that YMMV/Trivia status is inherited by default.

Calling Creepy Cute( 8 yes and 2 nays)

edited 26th Feb '14 4:13:42 AM by MagBas

Well, out of note, if the "Proposal to change how TRS and Image Pickin' work" work, this means that the thread cap goes away, and this means i am changing my answer to the post 1289 in the page 52:

I guess that this is the less visited of the three threads with crowner in "Long Time/Perpetual". Without the thread cap, create personalized threads in the TRS again sounds as a good idea.

I'd like to try and nominate Disproportionate Retribution. It's on the grounds that what could be disproportionate to one person could be completely justified to another (please don't tell me everyone would think it would be disproportionate; there are some messed up people out their in the world). What do you think?

edited 3rd Mar '14 4:55:49 PM by Generations91

This is not the first time that someone suggested turn Disproportionate Retribution ymmv... well, other opinions?

edited 3rd Mar '14 5:57:46 PM by MagBas

I'm nominating Absolutely Happened. It relates to how the fandom treats things, and all but says it's an audience reaction right there in the description.

Oh come on, no votes for Disproportionate Retribution as a YMMV trope? It can be subjective in terms of Audience Reaction.

Well, considering the number of votes in Absolutely Happened, the thread was visited by at least 6 persons after their original post. Of the two one: either they are not answering in the hope that the discussion will be forgotten or their attentions are totally centered in the nomination of Absolutely Happened by Completely Normal Guy.

edited 5th Mar '14 5:14:42 PM by MagBas

The thing about Disproportionate Retribution is that it can very easily be kept objective. We can easily limit it to cases where it is acknowledged as disproportionate in-universe, or even to particularly blatant examples (kidnapping and torturing someone who mocked you in school is definitely disproportionate, as is gunning down jaywalkers). I don't particularly want to make more things YMMV if we don't have to, and I think it's fairly easy to keep this one objective.

On the subject of Absolutely Happened, I figured it was a fairly cut and dry case of an audience reaction if I ever saw one, but, based on the vote, it would appear that a few people disagree with me. As such, I think I should state my point more clearly. According to the description, Absolutely Happened refers to situations where "A certain event is somewhat ambiguous in canon, but the fandom acts as though it absolutely occurred." It is explicitly about how the audience react to a certain event, which means that there really shouldn't be any question about its nature as YMMV.

The examples on Absolutely Happened are all over the place, though. There's examples of: stuff that fits under Fanon or Un-Installment, fans arguing about whether something is canon, fans pretending a Show Within a Show is real... It's kind of hard to say whether the trope's YMMV when it's not at all clear what it's actually meant to be.

edited 6th Mar '14 2:38:10 AM by nrjxll

Where do we nominate pages that we think don't need the YMMV banner, anyway? Got one more in mind.

edited 7th Mar '14 7:44:08 AM by Twentington

I guess that in the Trope Repair Shop.

Animation Bump should seriously be YMMV because it's opinionated.

I don't agree. Animation Bump should be objective. If it's being misused, it might need TRS.

edited 10th Mar '14 6:50:51 AM by Fighteer

Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters maybe? Just wondering, but it does sound like a trope that can be subjective, at least in the audience's eye.

And remember, it says that terrorism has no clear cut definition.

My understanding is that the trope is already supposed limited to In-Universe examples where that is objectively invoked.

Except that in Code Geass, it isn't outright acknowledged and there are those who are split on whether or not Lelouch is a terrorist. This trope can be opinionated, as what could be revolutionaries to one could be terrorists to another.

If there are bad examples or the description is not clear, it would be best to try to fix that instead of just slapping a YMMV on it. In my mind, this is an objective trope and many authors intentionally and even explicitly address these issues, sometimes even invoking some variation on this phrase.

Agreed.

Also, Star Trek Movie Curse really shouldn't be on here. It's more Just for Fun than a "real" page.

edited 18th Mar '14 6:08:13 PM by nrjxll

I just posted on ask the tropers a few minutes ago. Karma Houdini seems to have become ymmv abrubtly over night. Just to make sure I wasn't going crazy I checked out the internet archive for jan '14 of the page on archive.org. As I suspected it was not ymmv then. Just to be safe I went back to september '13 of this discussion, to see if you mentioned Karma Houdini becoming ymmv. I could not find any evidence. So what prompted the sudden change from not ymmv to ymmv?

Looks like it was added to the YMMV page by someone named Galacton, who I don't think I've ever heard of before. I'm reporting it to Ask The Tropers.

Edit: I see it's already been reported.

edited 22nd Mar '14 6:57:35 PM by nrjxll

Considering Karma Houdini is 'doesn't get punished in-universe for doing terrible things', it's nowhere near YMMV anyway.

Karma Houdini needs more of a cleanup than a YMMV tag. There are plenty of examples where the character dies or just isn't punished enough for the editor.

Hello. I was told to post my question here.

I was wondering, why the trope 'Breather Boss' is considered YMMV, but similar tropes likes 'Wake Up Call Boss' and 'Warm Up Boss' are not? I am assuming it is because 'Wake Up Call Boss' and 'Warm Up Boss' are not as subjective since they are usually deliberate by the designers, while a 'Breather Boss' is more subjective since an easy boss for someone could be a difficult boss for someone else.

In the ask the troper thread, I was told my interpretation of these tropes are correct. However, I do think a 'Breather Boss' can be consider a regular trope since some designers to put an easier boss after a particular tough dungeon or boss battle. As a gamer, I had my fair share of 'easy' bosses that ended up kicking my butt, but I do not think 'Breather Boss' should be YMMV like "That One Boss' since that is far more subjective in my opinion.

Of course, I want to hear what you guys think. I am not looking to change these tropes classifications, just have a better idea of why they divided the way they are.