Paging ~AudioSpeaks2 and ~Giant Cicada to the thread as requested.
I think definition-only or maybe Media Notes would work better than Useful Notes if we keep the page for the term while getting rid of the examples, since this seems like a better fit for one of those two instead of Useful Notes. Melody is another definition-only music page, and I'm not sure if the Media Notes category was live when the OP was written (it didn't exist when Melody was brought up in the thread that cleaned up the Definition-Only Pages index a while back).
Edit: Wikipedia has a page for the concept (under the name basso profondo, not basso profundo), so this is a preexisting term (except for the spelling being Spanish for us and Italian for them, though both are listed as valid on their page; I'm not sure which spelling is more common offsite).
Edit: Saw that some music-related pages are already in the Media Notes namespace, so I'm leaning toward moving this there and sandboxing the gag examples to see if we can salvage them (there are 261 wicks total, and if there are enough gag-based examples to move a gag trope to Main/ without it starving, we can move it to Main/ through this thread; otherwise, we'd need to Yard it).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 12th 2024 at 11:41:22 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I'm good with moving the page to Media Notes because that's where we're putting a lot of music info pages
I'm also good with salvaging any of those deep voice gag examples
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation projectMedia Notes and Useful Notes.
Absolute RainbowA page can't be both of those at the same time, but Media Notes would be the one to move it to if we change the namespace because it's outside the scope of Useful Notes.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 13th 2024 at 6:13:43 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Move to Media Notes and arrange wicks under potentially tropeworthy concepts on a sandbox.
back lolDon't we already have Voice Types? Why not just merge the Media Notes page into that / maybe move that page to Media Notes?
Edited by MissConduct on Feb 14th 2024 at 8:43:41 AM
Good point
Voice Types should be in Media Notes for the record given how they were created for musical purposes
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Feb 14th 2024 at 10:02:10 PM
Art Museum Curator and frequent helper of the Web Original deprecation projectI hooked a crowner for whether to move to Media Notes (with or without merging with Voice Types, which, as pointed out, belongs in Media Notes instead of Useful Notes), as well as whether to split off a gag for suddenly deep voices if we move Basso Profundo to Media Notes.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Calling in favor of the following:
- Merge with Voice Types
- Sandbox examples that involve a character using a very deep voice as a gag (such as to to exaggerate how angry, mean, loud, or forceful they are at the moment, or simply because it sounds funny) to salvage for a new trope page. If there are enough examples for the trope to be thriving (per Wick), the sandbox can be moved to Main/ right away; otherwise, it will be sent to TLP or the Trope Idea Salvage Yard.
Voice Types was moved to Media Notes and dewicked, so we need to merge Basso Profundo with it, and sandbox any tropeworthy gag-based examples.
Edit: Copied the description's text to a folder on Voice Types. Leaving Main.Basso Profundo up for now so we can sort through the examples.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 18th 2024 at 12:57:11 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I dewicked and cut the Main.Basso Profondo alternate spelling redirect (MediaNotes.Basso Profondo was made as a redirect to MediaNotes.Voice Types for searchability reasons, and so the auto-disambig system will work). Not much of an accomplishment with only five wicks; I'm mainly mentioning it because I couldn't find anything to salvage for Sandbox.Suddenly Deep Voice Gag. Main.Basso Profundo's on-page examples and wicks still need to be sorted through.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2024 at 1:15:35 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I took care of the on-page examples and redirected the page to MediaNotes.Voice Types (we can cut it after dewicking since MediaNotes.Basso Profundo exists as a redirect). I transplanted the entries in the Music folder to a new list on the Voice Types page (similarly to the lists other vocal ranges have) and found two examples to salvage for the gag trope (though one might need more context).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Done, so locking up.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
The description of Basso Profundo currently describes characters with exceptionally low voices with no discussion of narrative meaning. The on-page examples list a mix of fictional characters and real actors/musicians with very deep voices, with no significance given for most entries. It overlaps with the tropes listed under the now disambiguated Badass Baritone for "cool"/"manly" characters with deep voices and Evil Sounds Deep for evil characters with deep voices. What should be done with Basso Profundo?
To-do list:
Note: This thread was proposed by AudioSpeaks2.
The problem: The description of Basso Profundo currently describes characters with exceptionally low voices with no discussion of narrative meaning. The on-page examples list a mix of fictional characters and real actors/musicians with very deep voices, with no significance given for most entries. It overlaps with the tropes listed under the now disambiguated Badass Baritone for "cool"/"manly" characters with deep voices and Evil Sounds Deep for evil characters with deep voices.
Giant Cicada created the initial writeup, the summary seen above, a wick check, and one of the solutions, while AudioSpeaks2 finished the wick check and wrote the other solutions.
Here the results:
Analysis: The wick check has shown it to be mainly plagued with Zero-Context Examples and examples that overlap with Evil Sounds Deep, Baritone of Strength, Authority Sounds Deep or any of the other tropes under Badass Baritone.
Proposed Solutions:
Even the original TLP draft (then titled "Dish Rattler") reads more like a Useful Note.
Wick check:
Summary
The description of Basso Profundo currently describes characters with exceptionally low voices with no discussion of narrative meaning. The on-page examples list a mix of fictional characters and real actors/musicians with very deep voices, with no significance given for most entries. It overlaps with the tropes listed under the now disambiguated Badass Baritone for "cool"/"manly" characters with deep voices and Evil Sounds Deep for evil characters with deep voices.
This is a wick check to review how Basso Profundo is being used and to see if there are any distinct tropes at work. Because the trope page doesn't describe a correct narrative use, I didn't use a "correct" folder. I also separated real actors/musicians/etc when it didn't refer to role they play since someone's natural register can't have narrative meaning.
Potholes are marked in bold and comments are marked in pink.
Methodology
Wicks checked: 50/50
Wicks
Categories:
Results:
Verdict
The wick check has shown it to be mainly plagued with Zero-Context Examples and examples that overlap with Evil Sounds Deep, Baritone of Strength, Authority Sounds Deep or any of the other tropes under Badass Baritone.What to do?
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 21st 2024 at 2:12:16 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.