Trope Pantheon Story thread

@ magnum12: Let me rephrase that-the GUAG is being deceptive...against YHVH. Or maybe you're right. Meh.

Idea time: Then the Council of Angels chapter should be in part 2.

Maybe Eiki asks the guag for help as she is on good terms with some of their higher ups (Captain America). Via Hanyuu, Eliphas looks to Rika to gather allies, to which she says something along the lines of "I can bring a tyrant" (Tyrant Valvatorez). Other allies Rika and Hanyuu could recruit include Usalia (notices her and Satako playing and mentions that "Christo" is in the House of Heroes) and Nozdurmu (after a discussion about fate culminating with her saying something about how his sisters would want him to live and chewing him out for not even trying before running off in tears).

For part 3, part of the trigger would be someone getting information extracted from Atlus' data regarding the "flaw in reality" (it was YVHV's fault to begin with and he was never a white soul to begin with) and sends it to Eiki (she realizes that everyone clammering for YVHV's head were the ones in the right). Perhaps that group is either the Guag White Hats (anonymous data send as revenge for the incidents of Alternate Gentaro) or Deadpool (who broke the fourth wall to get the game's script) to prove YVHV's curse against Etna for hacking his title to "Devil of Absolute Law" was unlawful (motivated as a revenge prank by Lol Ranger on their friend Etna's behalf).

edited 11th Apr '16 5:41:26 PM by magnum12

That retcon of YHVH..hmm. I wonder, did Atlas just give up on making YHVH not being 100% dick? They do give a Freudian Excuse at least(he went mad from his isolation at the top), but that only makes him about 5% less evil than, say, Darkseid(the other 4.5% being he's not an example of Dystopia Justifies the Means).

Here's an idea of YHVH's final fall from grace: YHVH is broken. His men are (temporarily) wiped out. He's passed out, looking at his exhausted but victorious foes. And he gets a The Reason Why You Suck Speech; the jist being that he does not represent Law, that he's a perversion of its ideals and tyrant who cannot fathom the value of the very ideology he follows.

With his body exhausted, and being kicked while he's down, YHVH suffers a Villainous Breakdown. Both figuratively and literally, as his broken spirit and confidence allows the Great Will, the very essence of the Law axis, to reject him. And Eiki Shiki ascends to her new role as the avatar of Law. YHVH's captives are up to you guys

Meanwhile, Lucifer looks on. He loves seeing YHVH defeated, but wonders what it will mean to the GUAC with a new god of Law. And he considers his options.

Plot twist: Eiki always knew the truth about YHVH. Reason: her Cleansed Crystal Mirror allows her to see everything about given person. The reason why she didn't tell anyone is due the fact that she hasn't been able to make proper judgement on him as while everyone (including you people) make fast judgement on him (you were the guys who wanted for YHVH still stay as head of GUAL even after reformatting when I said just get rid of him), while Eiki is trying to judge the weight of his actions to really see if he is such "pure black" as people say he is.

That, or SMT is so inconsistent that judging him by a grand scale is BS. Seriously, bets on that the next SMT game doesn't even take note of IV Final.

For the record, I was never on board with YVHV staying as GUAL leader, since the core problem with it being the GUA Lawful Evil is by sole virtue of him being leader.

I was always thinking we needed someone properly Lawful Neutral as leader.

Personally, why not just mirror Final and kill him off for real? He DOES afterall end up Deader than Dead via his soul being erased?

I said this before, you can't justified Killed Off for Real here onside ring how many deities in here have ascended.

Seems Atlus SUCCEEDED at making law sympathetic.

SMT 4 Final is seen as a big time Author's Saving Throw that got law out of their scrappy status. It was the reveal regarding YVHV that did it.

Turns out his true alignment is Neutral Evil posing as Lawful Evil. He prefers to be seen as the head of law when in actuality he's using it as a further means to make creation suffer and once again his motive being contempt for the idea of free will.

The comparisons to Darkseid actually make even more sense and the flaw in reality actually makes him more evil for reasons shown below.

Smt runs off of alternate timelines, with core rules that affect every timeline and variations across time lines. The "flaw in reality" is a core rule that governs every time line.

I oppose of killing off YHVH. Or separating him. Exile is fine, though. Like, is it really the sign of good leadership if you killed the last person in charge?

What do you by separating him? Because I want you to know most people don't think he's worthy of his current position of "Overdeity of Law." Because he's not a proper example of the Law axis. Hell, SMT IV Final reveals he's not even a proper example of Lawful Evil!

For the Rider Taisen story, I was also thinking of adding the belts for Kamen Riders Ixa and Accel and I wanna use it in a potential user of my choice. What do you guys think?

Guys, I'd like to make an announcement. Since we're about to move story stuffs from here, I'd like to say and plan that.... The Morality Civil War will be reboot, with the newer characters involved. Probably after we had info on Blaz Blue Central Fiction so it's clearer on what to do.

If you guys have plans on how to improve and all... let me know!

Just in time for Captain America: Civil War.

It's also the perfect time to ask Superman if he bleeds.

I wonder which new characters might get involved...

I'm not sure, dude. I'm sure ASW will take their sweet time for localizing CF or making even its Japanese console edition, whereas at least we'll get to their console version way after Captain America Civil War has aired.

edited 20th Apr '16 8:12:13 PM by ChrisX

Sorry for double posting, but I'd like to start taking inputs. The input needed right now lie between these two:

• Did Litchi beforehand sound a little bit like a Mary Sue? As in something that's like 'can do no wrong, those who oppose her is labelled as bad'?
• What of the portrayal of the two oppositions that comes from her series: Rachel and Kokonoe? Do they sound VERY Strawman-ish or are they justified enough?

Tell me your problems and I may be able to know the hints to take in order to shape this up better when reboot comes.

Hi! Here's a question: This is the Pantheon, a place with enough raw power, technology, and magic to wipe out all reality on ACCIDENT and bring it back before breakfast is over. Maybe I'm just overlooking the Poor Communication Kills problem but...was there any possibility that the Pantheon would focus on capturing Arakune, have a Great Debate or something to that effect on what to do with Arakune where the entire Pantheon could attend and talk at, and then solve the black, squiggly problem? The Pantheon should have SOME way to treat Boundary corruption even if it's only incremental. Not saying that there shouldn't be problems with Arakune being ascended (how does the ascending process work, anyway? Is there a ceremony, do people just do it sometimes, and how do gods ascend people? Is there a committee or council for it?), just...that's it. That's all I have to say in this post.

edited 26th Apr '16 7:00:47 AM by fredhot16

The problem is A) Status Quo is Literally a God and B) Solving canon problems like that seems just outright cheap way to go through stuff. Also, the problem is less to do with Arakune, and more with Litchi.

edited 26th Apr '16 7:10:20 AM by TPPR10

A) Alright, but so is everyone else. Just because it's a literal force doesn't mean it can't be defied or beaten especially in the sense of writing stories. Pretty sure there was a big discussion about this a few pages back.

B) I'm not asking for Arakune to be turned back into Roy Carmine anytime soon OR at all. I'd be fine with certain actions being ATTEMPTED. When you've got people like Terumi, The Joker, Tzeentche (apologies for misspelling) and Littlefinger running around, shit's bound to not go well. The Great Debate could be exploited for more chaos, Arakune could get a temporary boost to Greater God rank and released, Trollkeiger could argue for Arakune's destruction, lots of shit could happen.

P.S This Great Debate could be or turn into a trial like the one used to send Ted Mosbey into the Fallen as described in his profile. Not saying she would be sent into the Fallen, just that the Great Debate could have this too as Litchi might have to give her story about why she did what she did.

edited 26th Apr '16 10:22:45 AM by fredhot16

In the wake of Morality Civil War, if it wasn't solved, then the debate would heavily swing onto the favor of "Kill Arakune because he has to pay for those Kaka kittens and many others that he ate. And execute Litchi too because she lets him live instead of killing him, and also including helping Terumi/Relius to achieve that selfish goal instead of attending the innocents."

There are a lot of factors in which the odds are stacked against Litchi, which would make a very biased, unfair trial... and I don't think the Pantheon would want that. And hell, on the Arakune problem, I think that solution of 'killing him because he has to pay' would be heavily unfair as well.

The one challenged right now isn't 'Status Quo', but more about the 'audience-taste worship' mentality. As in, does the character have to absolutely obey what the audience decreed as good and evil to get anywhere?

edited 26th Apr '16 6:01:37 PM by ChrisX

In short, MCW is a deeply metafictional story making cracks at fan base expectaions, especially poignant because something the Blaz Blue fandom forgets is the game's deconstructive elements.

Chris@ I'm wondering if Litchi needs for allies that would defend her. I can think of some.

edited 27th Apr '16 4:24:18 PM by WhirlRX

Well, previously there WAS defenders. Particularly her close clique of friends: There's Mami Tomoe, Karen Minazuki/Cure Aqua, the Poly Racks group and somehow, the Freljordians in League Of Legends (this would have been bolstered with the newer addition of Tryndamere). Also Raiden. And if the newer additions, the upcoming Nohrian Royal Siblings would gladly take her side.

Finding allies for Litchi is easy. Finding oppositions of Litchi without making them look like strawmen or grabbing the Idiot Ball or Conflict Ball... that is kind of hard. I did have the Demacian army turn against her, and the Shu 3 brothers, but dunno who else. But they usually have to 'believe in justice' and prioritize The Needs of the Many.

edited 27th Apr '16 5:55:06 PM by ChrisX

Yeah, I can see that. I think Amanda Waller can be one of those person if it's for the safety of humanity. Maybe she make her own Pantheon version of the Suicide Squad.

@MCW: If you're rebooting it, you could consider adding Venomancer to it. He's one of Arakune's allies, and I'd imagine that he don't like the idea of losing an ally because people wants to turn him back to human.

Another reason why I would want a reboot is because one of Arakune's allies used to be Zato, and lately he's been... swinging in a more 'good' way, so it'd look weird. Aside of Veno, there's also the original Arachne for his allies. Anyone else?