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Unclear Description (new crowner 9/17/13): Fatherland get usage counts

 1 Santos L Halper, Wed, 19th Jun '13 5:00:08 AM from The Canterlot of the North
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What exactly is this trope? Is this a Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany, or is it a misrepresentation of the actual Kaiserreich, on par with Eagleland or Glorious Mother Russia?

Also, I think we should rename this trope to something like "Der Kaiserreich", given that "Fatherland" is the name of several works.

edited 19th Jun '13 5:03:12 AM by SantosLHalper

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 2 Septimus Heap, Wed, 19th Jun '13 5:05:08 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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First thing, easily. I'll try to make a better description for that.

 3 Septimus Heap, Thu, 20th Jun '13 5:42:06 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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OK, revised description:

The Fantasy Counterpart Culture version of Prussia and Imperial Germany, Fatherland usually includes:

Of course, there might be an example which is a well-done historical allegory full of accurate representations of the Imperial period, but hey, why bother?

Compare Glorious Mother Russia for similar parent-country symbolism.

 4 Santos L Halper, Thu, 20th Jun '13 2:25:20 PM from The Canterlot of the North
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But why must it be a Fantasy Counterpart Culture? If we see its Russian and American equivalents, both of them are simply about exaggerated versions of the countries in question. Why must the Imperial German version be different?
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 5 Septimus Heap, Thu, 20th Jun '13 2:27:39 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Because that is the description. A redefinition may be an option there.

edited 20th Jun '13 2:28:32 PM by SeptimusHeap

 6 Santos L Halper, Fri, 21st Jun '13 8:29:00 AM from The Canterlot of the North
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I myself advocate changing the description to 'exaggerated Imperial Germany'. Anyone else agree?
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 7 Septimus Heap, Fri, 21st Jun '13 8:32:28 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I am not sure if "The Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany" and "Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany" are something that ought to be lumped.

 8 Santos L Halper, Sat, 22nd Jun '13 8:21:58 AM from The Canterlot of the North
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Why not? Also, can we get feedback from more people?
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 9 StarSword, Sat, 22nd Jun '13 12:53:57 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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@Septimus: You're right, they shouldn't be lumped. They should be swapped and the FCC examples put on FCC.
 10 Spark 9, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 1:02:01 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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So why is this called Father Land? That sounds not even remotely German, and is an established term for something much broader (the same as Motherland, really; several dozen countries use either term), and is the name of a 1992 novel, 1994 movie, a BBC radio play, and a street in Nashville.
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 11 Septimus Heap, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 1:44:26 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I do not know. It was started in 2008.

 12 Larkmarn, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 8:24:22 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, needs a new name.

... the first thing that comes to mind for me is Iron Eagle Land.

 13 Santos L Halper, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 4:02:44 PM from The Canterlot of the North
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As noted in the OP, I'm rather fond of "The Kaiserreich".
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 14 Another Duck, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 5:59:02 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]That just sounds wrong with an English article.
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 15 Septimus Heap, Wed, 26th Jun '13 4:39:10 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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As well as sounding like The Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany instead of a Fantasy Counterpart Culture.

 16 Santos L Halper, Wed, 26th Jun '13 9:17:31 AM from The Canterlot of the North
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Why do we need "Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany" when there already ''is'' a Fantasy Counterpart Culture trope? I'm in favour of re-defining it to "Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany" and renaming it.

edited 26th Jun '13 9:17:55 AM by SantosLHalper

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 17 Septimus Heap, Wed, 26th Jun '13 9:23:03 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Flip The Theme Park Version and Fantasy Counterpart Culture around in that post and you'll see why.

 18 Santos L Halper, Wed, 26th Jun '13 9:52:14 AM from The Canterlot of the North
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[up]

There are also tropes for the Theme Park Version of America, the Soviet Union, Japan, Scotland, and Ireland as well. Hell, there an entire index of Theme Park Version tropes that apply for regions, while there are almost no Fantasy Counterpart Culture sub-tropes, and the one major one only seems to be when it sticks out of the rest of the setting.

edited 26th Jun '13 9:54:20 AM by SantosLHalper

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 19 Septimus Heap, Wed, 26th Jun '13 10:06:05 AM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Also, what you are proposing is a complete description shift. I am not seeing a good reason for it and "because these other articles are like this, this article should be like these too" is too weak a reason.

 20 Willbyr, Fri, 26th Jul '13 6:08:24 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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 21 Spark 9, Fri, 26th Jul '13 7:09:04 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Crowner: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/Fatherland
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 22 Willbyr, Tue, 30th Jul '13 3:52:45 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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 23 Santos L Halper, Wed, 31st Jul '13 7:02:50 PM from The Canterlot of the North
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...so, any ideas for new names for this trope?
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 24 Santos L Halper, Thu, 8th Aug '13 7:49:27 AM from The Canterlot of the North
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Bumping...
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 25 Spark 9, Thu, 8th Aug '13 8:17:30 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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"Kaiser Reich" was suggested above, I think that works.
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Alternative Titles: Fatherland
9th Sep '13 4:58:28 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
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