First thing, easily. I'll try to make a better description for that.
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OK, revised description:
The Fantasy Counterpart Culture version of Prussia and Imperial Germany, Fatherland usually includes:
- Pickelhauben.
- Arrogant aristocrats, duelling scars and monocles optional.
- The military is all-pervasive.
- Gratuitous German. Or something that sounds like it. Or something that some people think sounds like it.
- Confusion as to whether this is the Kaiserreich or the Nazis.
- Vaguely WWI-ish technology, especially ugly box-shaped tanks, U-Boats, and, of course, zeppelins.
- Great big black eagles and Iron Crosses everywhere, or an obvious stand-in for them.
Of course, there might be an example which is a well-done historical allegory full of accurate representations of the Imperial period, but hey, why bother?
Compare Glorious Mother Russia for similar parent-country symbolism.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
But why must it be a Fantasy Counterpart Culture? If we see its Russian and American equivalents, both of them are simply about exaggerated versions of the countries in question. Why must the Imperial German version be different?
Because that is the description. A redefinition may be an option there.
edited 20th Jun '13 2:28:32 PM by SeptimusHeap
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I myself advocate changing the description to 'exaggerated Imperial Germany'. Anyone else agree?
I am not sure if "The Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany" and "Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany" are something that ought to be lumped.
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Why not? Also, can we get feedback from more people?
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@Septimus: You're right, they shouldn't be lumped. They should be swapped and the FCC examples put on FCC.
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So why is this called Father Land? That sounds not even remotely German, and is an established term for something much broader (the same as Motherland, really; several dozen countries use either term), and is the name of a 1992 novel, 1994 movie, a BBC radio play, and a street in Nashville.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
I do not know. It was started in 2008.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yeah, needs a new name.
... the first thing that comes to mind for me is Iron Eagle Land.
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As noted in the OP, I'm rather fond of "The Kaiserreich".
No, the other one.
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That just sounds wrong with an English article.
As well as sounding like The Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany instead of a Fantasy Counterpart Culture.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Why do we need "Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany" when there already ''is'' a Fantasy Counterpart Culture trope? I'm in favour of re-defining it to "Theme Park Version of Imperial Germany" and renaming it.
edited 26th Jun '13 9:17:55 AM by SantosLHalper
Flip The Theme Park Version and Fantasy Counterpart Culture around in that post and you'll see why.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
There are also tropes for the Theme Park Version of America, the Soviet Union, Japan, Scotland, and Ireland as well. Hell, there an entire index of Theme Park Version tropes that apply for regions, while there are almost no Fantasy Counterpart Culture sub-tropes, and the one major one only seems to be when it sticks out of the rest of the setting.
edited 26th Jun '13 9:54:20 AM by SantosLHalper
Also, what you are proposing is a complete description shift. I am not seeing a good reason for it and "because these other articles are like this, this article should be like these too" is too weak a reason.
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Hi
Clock is set.
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Crowner: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/PageAction/Fatherland
Hi
Hooked.
...so, any ideas for new names for this trope?
Bumping...
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"Kaiser Reich" was suggested above, I think that works.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
Crown Description:
Fatherland is currently defined as the Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Prussia / Imperial Germany. One issue is that other fantasy counterpart cultures are simply listed on Fantasy Counterpart Culture; sister tropes like Eagleland are simply about "exaggerated stereotypes of a country". Another issue is that Fatherland is the name of
several works, and numerous countries besides Germany use it to refer to their country instead.
What exactly is this trope? Is this a Fantasy Counterpart Culture of Imperial Germany, or is it a misrepresentation of the actual Kaiserreich, on par with Eagleland or Glorious Mother Russia?
Also, I think we should rename this trope to something like "Der Kaiserreich", given that "Fatherland" is the name of several works.
edited 19th Jun '13 5:03:12 AM by SantosLHalper