Changed w/o discussion: What Do You Mean Its For Kids

This image was removed without any reason, though I assume it's because of its relative vagueness.

Well, it is a pretty crappy image...It's difficult to tell what we're looking at.

The only way I can think to show it is Family-Unfriendly Death...but, that's that trope.

Put it back up, though, since it shouldn't have been removed. There was also an IP that didn't come to any conclusion.

edited 10th Apr '13 6:02:47 PM by helterskelter

If I only had an idea

That book shows a different trope entirely

I guess I'm sort of confused on what this trope is, then, if it isn't 'the opposite of What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?' and it isn't 'this work is much more suitable for mature^* used loosely, practically-minded adults than it appears at a glance'.

Edit: a different suggestion?

edited 10th Apr '13 8:05:33 PM by Noaqiyeum

Same as the last one, this trope is about when something is aimed at kids, but the content says otherwise about it. Be it Nightmare Fuel, Family-Unfriendly Death, Adult Fear, copious Getting Crap Past the Radar, or even just being way to complex for a kids show and dealing with themes that would fly over their heads.

What your posted is examples of someone claiming this trope for things that it really does fit on, thus it's What Do You Mean, It's Not Didactic?

edited 10th Apr '13 8:26:11 PM by shoboni

Random shot from Watership Down?

That's the opposite of what was stated in the previous IP thread, though. I checked.

That is for adults.

This is a show for kids that actually handles more adult issues, knowingly or not.

Okay, that's what I was attempting with my suggestion in 5...

Also for adults. Well, I didn't have any problems with it. As a kid.

There appears to be some confusion between What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? and What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?, among the tropes' examples as well. Hardly surprising with names like those :)

So anyway, this trope is supposed to be "children's show/toy/article that adults also like". I think the best and most easily understood example here is Lego. So I suggest an image like this◊, that◊, or this one◊.

edited 11th Apr '13 5:06:51 AM by Spark9

No, I prefer we use a picture that shows questionable content from a kid-targeted show. That's what this trope is really about.

Scout's Girlfriend: The definition on the main What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? page is this:

The definition you're citing is closer to What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?.

edited 11th Apr '13 6:19:26 AM by Madrugada

No, it's not. You're thinking of What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?.

This trope is "Whenever a show or movie aimed toward younger viewers has a large enough Periphery Demographic, many of the older fans will vocally argue that it isn't a "kid's show" ... One of the biggest causes of this is that, if a popular kids' franchise is over a decade old or so, the majority (if not the entirety) of its older fanbase loved it when they were kids, but are adults now."

Um, no. What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? goes toward material that's targeted toward older audiences, but looks kid-friendly. What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? goes toward material targeted toward kids, but has content not considered kid-friendly.

Not For Kids is content that looks kid-friendly but isn't. For Kids is when a kid's work gains an adult periphery demographic that sees itself as part of the normal demographic.

This controversy about these items has been around for years. A TRS thread in 2011/2012 failed, I believe, because the description wasn't fixed.

But still, most—if not all—of the examples for the For Kids trope involve children's material that have mature content.

That would be misuse, then. Yes, this should be taken to TRS again at some point. The trope "It's For Kids" is about adults enjoying a show aimed at children; good examples include Lego and the Brony movement. The trope "It's Not For Kids" is people mistaking a show that has adult content for a children's show; good examples include the movie Watership Down and any adult-oriented comic book. I'm really not surprised that the former is mistaken for the latter a lot, but they are two distinct tropes.

The definition of a trope is established by the definition section, not the examples. Wrong examples should be removed, rather than warping the trope to fit them.

Alright, thanks for clearin' that up, Sparky.

We should take it into the TRS then.

Looking over it again, this page isn't "a kids show has adult fans" (because that's the trope Periphery Demographic), but this page is "adult fans of a kids show are offended when it's called a kids show"; it's an Audience Reaction and a subtrope of Fandom Berserk Button.

So most of the examples are wrong, yes. I'm not sure if it's proper to remove 90% of the examples on a page without consulting TRS first, though. I still think using Lego makes a decent page image here.

Sounds like we need a new trope created for one or the other.

I'd like to make a suggestion for the image, or at least for the Anime & Manga subpage, though I admit the caption pulls a lot of weight.

edited 11th Apr '13 5:59:01 PM by DRCEQ

I'd make some tweaks, if you'd forgive the all blueness of it all.

edited 11th Apr '13 6:22:40 PM by ShadowHog