The Unknown
The OC Lords from Fire Emblem Warriors were added to The Scrappy on YMMV.Fire Emblem Warriors. Even though the game's not even out.
I've already had to remove a horribly misused They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character example from that page and I'm really getting tired of this. That page should just be locked because it's clearly a complaint magnet.
edited 3rd Sep '17 2:12:54 PM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Mad Archivist
killed it with fire. this just doesn't work that way.
"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
The Unknown
Cool.
Like I said earlier, should we request a lock for that page?
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
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Yeah, might be a good idea since it's already attracting so many bad edits. Go for it.
I just went and requested the lock myself.
I was wondering if Jaune Arc from RWBY should be added, I mean I don't dislike him myself but a lot of people do, even seeing him a the millstone around the neck of the series so I'm a bit surprised he was never on the page, considering the... less the stellar reception his character has gotten.
No, the other one.
No. Sure, a bunch of people don't like him. However, a bunch of people do. A lot of people don't really care that strongly.
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He's also one half of one of the more popular ships. So super nope.
edited 5th Sep '17 10:44:19 AM by Karxrida
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
"Some people like him and some people hate him"
Scrappy is not a good choice here, it's more likely he's a Base-Breaking Character.
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
I've removed an example from Miraculous Ladybug
She is mentioned in Base-Breaking Character, so that disqualifies her. There are plenty of fanarts of her and many popular ships with her.
Where there's life, there's hope.
Yeah, "...is this for some of the fandom" are weasel words. Base-Breaking Character is definitely a better fit.
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I deleted the Sand Snakes and kept Ellaria and Olly.
What do you think about Ramsay? He is certainly a Hate Sink, and he is appropriately hated for villainy. However, his entry says he is hated for negatively affecting the plot.
He is intended to be a despicable character, but where Tywin Lannister and Littlefinger were believable villains, Ramsay's villainy comes across as motivated by the whims of the show's plot rather than pre-established circumstances, depending on many characters known for their political savvy and ruthlessness, such as Roose Bolton and Littlefinger himself, utterly misreading him despite being blunt Obviously Evil, and entirely lacking in guile, sophistication and other Evil Virtues.
Book readers despise him because he has received Adaptation Expansion and Adaptational Badass at the expense of Sansa and Stannis. His crippling of Stannis' army with 20 good men is very difficult to take seriously, with Ramsay destroying their siege weapons and food, killing hundreds of horses, and not even being seen, which comes across as incredibly forced writing to derail Stannis' storyline.
Him somehow creating a coalition of alliances in Season 6 when Roose Bolton struggled and fretted all of Season 5 for their delicate position in the North essentially undermines the versimilitude of Westerosi feudalism, and also marks Roose as a chump, and likewise the sudden and easy manner of Roose's death naturally upset people who found Roose a more convincing embodiment of the North's Evil Overlord.
There's also the show's obvious set up of a Ramsay-Jon showdown which seems to based on both being bastards and Ramsay regarding him as an Unknown Rival, that struck many as a lazy and obvious attempt to make him the Arch-Enemy of The Hero, not to mention that his role has been elevated from an Arc Villain to Theon's story to Big Bad for two consecutive seasons with the same plot of Ragtag Bunch of Misfits marching to Winterfell to dislodge him by the final two episodes repeated.
In addition to being a expert infiltrator (again, the infamous "20 good men") and an improbably skilled politician/diplomat (successfully and quickly uniting the North despite his well-known reputation as a psychopath, rapist, and overall sadist), he excels at everything else as well. He's an expert swordsman (especially prominent in the sequence where Yara and several Ironborn attempt to rescue Theon; Ramsay easily dispatches several veteran Ironborn raiders while shirtless), an expert marksman (his almost impossible execution of Rickon Stark), an expert tactician/strategist (he effortlessly wins every battle or raid he's involved with save the last one, which he would have won if the Vale knights hadn't arrived), and to cap it all off, he's a dynamite lover that's surrounded by very attractive women. One or two of these traits might make an effective villain; all of them at once creates a boring invincible villain that can only be dispatched when the plot requires it.
I find his entry to be comprehensive (but kind of needs shortening). However, I don't know how much of the fanbase hates him for having improbable Plot Armor and how much hates him for just villainy.
edited 5th Sep '17 6:42:18 PM by RAlexa21th
Where there's life, there's hope.
Keep him as Hate Sink. Whether or not he "negatively affects the plot enough that it overrides his Hate Sink status" is something that will vary between fans (and I still think it's not a good point to add since it feels like a way to sneak Hate Sinks into The Scrappy for the sake of complaining), and those entries reek of someone with an axe to grind.
I'm no fan of Ramsay Bolton myself, but is he The Scrappy? Unless convincing evidence is brought up, I'm going to have to go with "No."
While not gone, I feel like that attitude was more prevalent before he died.
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
What attitude?
Where there's life, there's hope.
People hating Ramsay because they felt he negatively affected the plot, not because he was a hateworthy character.
No, the other one.
I think that example, even if it's too wordy and badly written towards the end, makes a good case of him being a crap character people would rather see replaced than defeted.
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Were we done cleaning up the Legend of Zelda page? Kaepora Gaebora, Ruto, Ilia, Enzo, and Ooccoo are still up.
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- The Scrappy:
- Marc Guggenheim and Wendy Mericle themselves, as detailed in Scapegoat Creator above.
hmm... Is it ok to list writters?
I'm pretty sure the answer to that is a big NO. I don't think real-life people can be The Scrappy.
No, the other one.
Will Smith has something to say about that. Real Life people can never be The Scrappy.
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I'm going to go ahead and remove most of the Zelda examples if no one objects. Does anyone have any insight on the Japanese fandom? Unfortunately, my ability to read Japanese is limited.
No, the other one.
The only thing I know about the Japanese Zelda fandom is that they actually like Tingle.
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Can we talk about the aformentionned case of Raiden ?
- Raiden... at first. He was introduced as Someone Completely Different and a strange, awkward, somewhat clumsy, confusingly androgynous dork. In the serious cutscenes he's more talented, but replaces the cluelessness with lots of angst (some not written too well) and the nagging implication that he has less emotions and guilt about killing than he likes to portray. Whatever it is, the overall theme is that Raiden could have been the absolute ideal character of every single fanboy playing the game at the same time, and he would still have been immensely unpopular for the sole reason that he's not Snake. Hideo Kojima got the point and gleefully used an identical character named Raikov as a self-parody and hapless victim in the next game (and a series of comedy shorts for the re-release), and then made Raiden do some Level Grinding In Badass in MGS 4. Of course it didn't help that Sons of Liberty was a notorious Mind Screw with a Doozy of a Gainax Ending that the fans still argue about to this very day. Curiously, Raiden didn't fare as badly in Japan, where audiences are much more used to characters like him.
- Not to mention, he was also widely hated because the trailers and advertising kept Raiden as a secret (they would put Snake in place of Raiden in some parts, and when they showed Raiden, they showed him very briefly), so players were led to believe that they were going to play as Snake for the whole game. The back of the case (for the original 2001 release) even makes it sound like you're playing as Snake for the whole game too.
- There's also the fact that the game is none too subtle about indicating that Raiden is intended as an Audience Surrogate character, which makes it sound suspiciously like Kojima only included him as a colossal fuck-you to his audience.
Two things are bugging me with this one : First, the "actually japanese gamers didn't had that much issues with him" is a direct admission of Americans Hate Tingle, not that trope. Second, the character has been rescued from the heap for something like ten years, no ? When someone mention raiden somewhere, unless you're talking to someone who stopped at MGS 3, they almost alwaysthink to his MGS 4/Rising incarnation.
Shouldn't that warrant a cut for that entry ?
The only thing that makes me say "maybe not" is how much hate Raiden was getting in the mgs2 days, which might make it a worth mentionning case. But even if that's the case, I'm quite sure he should be moved to Americans Hate Tingle.
"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Speaking of the Fire Emblem Gaiden, the Rescued from the Scrappy Heap entries have some problems: