The Scrappy Cleanup

Roger was removed and put again in the American Dad folder.

I don't think Roger constitutes a Scrappy (at least not anymore than any other Seth MacFarlane creation) so that might constitute editing warring over a valid removal.

Someone should check in with a mod.

edited 19th Mar '17 9:07:22 PM by shoboni

From what I remember of Boom!Shadow his show version is Base Breaking and in Rise of Lyric he's a flat-out scrappy.

Also, if we're arguing for single incarnation versions, Lost World's version of Tails is a definite Scrappy for being Out of Character and having taken a huge level in jerkass and the game treating him like he's right in being a jerkass. Tails in general isn't though.

The Deadly Six are pretty well disliked for being one dimensional and boring. Especially Zeena since she also falls under Unfortunate Implications.

edited 20th Mar '17 11:02:56 AM by PhiSat

As it was agreed that Cream's example is Base-Breaking Character material from the way it was worded, shall I put it on Sonic's Broken Base page?

Also, I want to bring these characters up. First, from YMMV.Little Witch Academia:

• The Scrappy: The Enchanted Parade has two groups that can be considered this: Thomas and his gang, who do nothing but torment Akko and her friends even after they stopped the giant (which Thomas awoke by bringing the Shiny Rod over to it) and the mayor who is a typical Mayor Pain who only cares about his image, bringing in profits and was the one who broke the giant's seal in the first place.

And this from YMMV.Captain Underpants:

• The Scrappy: Melvin and some of the adults at Jerome Horwitz Elementary are this to a lot of fans.

All these characters were clearly meant to be hated by the audience, especially the characters from Captain Underpants who are all parodies of the teachers the author had to put up with growing up and an annoying nerd that the author knew back in school. Therefore, I think these characters qualify more as Hate Sinks than Scrappies.

Yeah, not examples. Not to mention, "can be considered this" is Word Cruft and Examples Are Not Arguable, which means the editor doesn't understand How to Write an Example, which in turn is another indication the editor might not understand the trope correctly.

YMMV.Girls Und Panzer lists three characters. I've not read the manga, so I can't comment on the first, but the latter two are both Hate Sinks. Shiho's designed to take a lot of heat, in particular to make Maho seem a little more sympathetic, and the other guy is played up be be the jerkassiest of jerkasses so that all hate in the entire series is directed his way.

For a different example, YMMV.Maburaho lists the class as a whole, both on its own page and on TheScrappy.Anime And Manga.

Any objections to deleting them?

In addition to Elise, the Sonic 2006 YMMV also mentions the Solana royal guards as Scrappies. I definitely know that the fanbase really doesn't like them (with the mandatory minigame of having to find the captain of the guard being a particular point of hatred, since the royal guard who gives you that quest is the captain of the guard you need to find.)

I believe none of us would argue against that.

Didn't we cut the Miis from Rio Olympics? Because, uh... they're back. I don't know, am I making an error here?

x4 I am pretty sure the one character that pretty much is The Big Bad of the show like Shiho really can't be The Scrappy, every aspect of her character is designed to be disliked to make Miho's victory more important.

edited 22nd Mar '17 9:10:40 AM by Memers

Except the last bit of clapping. Edit: Actually, scratch that. That also adds to emphasising how important it was, although it reduces dislike.

Yeah. Those are now chopped. Also cleaned out Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, considering none of those were scrappies in the first place.

edited 22nd Mar '17 9:21:32 AM by AnotherDuck

Yes.

We agreed they were disqualified for being intentional obnoxious with a plot related justification and I cut them myself.

I'll tap the editor on the shoulder.

Edit: looks like it's been reverted'

Edit 2: You mean on the work page, I didn't clear that. I'll do so now.

edited 22nd Mar '17 12:04:04 PM by shoboni

Someone added three characters to the Persona 5 page. Now I haven't gotten the game yet, and I'm kicking myself for that, but I feel like these might need to be looked over since the game game out just this week. Also I've heard good things about Ryuuji so not sure he fits.

• Yuuki Mishima, a former Ensemble Dark Horse due to his cute design and personality and co-op abilities, which not only increase the experience party members get, but also ensures that the party members you don't use in a given battle also get XP, making it more viable to use everyone without having to level grind your benched members. Then, the game was released, and Yuuki turned out to be selfishly using the Phantom Thieves to become popular, and was also slightly annoying. His big moment that everyone was looking forward to redeem him, saving the Phantom Thieves by rallying Tokyo, doesn't even happen if you don't max out his co-op. Instead, a One-Scene Wonder with blonde hair and a brightly colored outfit takes his place, quickly becoming an Ensemble Dark Horse affectionately dubbed Floral Pants man.
• Ryuuji is widely disliked for his short temper, immaturity, nigh constant yelling and tendency to blame everyone else when things go wrong. Add to that, he also barely gets any character development throughout the game, and despite the game trying to play off his idiotic tendencies as "entertaining", it can get really, really, really irritating over time. Then there's his behavior towards Morgana and his outright bullying which eventually causes them to have a Heroic BSoD and temporarily leave the team. It gets to the point Futaba calls him a "douche" for giving a halfhearted and backhanded apology, but even then Ryuuji still doesn't really apologize when Morgana comes back.
• Among the Confidants, Ichiko Oya, whose co-op bonuses (making the alertness meter in the major Palace dungeons increase more slowly and decrease more quickly, and finding extra info on targets) are considered to be the most useless in the game, since they don't help much unless you have trouble avoiding being detected by enemies. Character-wise, she's disliked for having one of the weaker backstories and for being The Alcoholic.

If it's just a week, it tells me the overreactionaries are at it again. I don't think the fandom has solidified on an opinion yet, especially since one of them was apparently an Ensemble Dark Horse just before.

Yeah not seeing it at all so far in the game.

I would say at best Ryuji is a Base Breaker Character given some of the stuff mentioned.

edited 8th Apr '17 1:43:25 PM by keyblade333

I know nothing about this game, but from the example writeup alone, Yuuki Mishima actually sounds fairly plausible if it's true that the fanbase went from considering him an Ensemble Dark Horse to instead embracing the completely random nameless character who can apparently replace him.

I don't buy the majority of the entire fanbase switching polarity like that within a week.

Well, it does sound like his previous popularity was really just the product of pre-release assumptions.

Again, I don't know anything about the game - it's just the one out of those examples that was really making a case instead of just complaining about the character.

edited 8th Apr '17 8:37:48 PM by nrjxll

Ryuji needs to go. I was looking through this game's tumblr tag last night and he's extremely popular there, at least.

Also the last one needs to go, granting a skill that the writer didn't use does not make them a scrappy. If you are kinda bad at the stealth mechanics you need the confidant or you will get a game over.

Post disappeared for some reason, so I'm trying this again...

YMMV.Senran Kagura has severe problems with The Scrappy.

• Yomi is consistently ranked high in popularity polls.
• Yumi is consistently ranked first, and the example specifically mentions the Western fanbase, which is a different trope.
• Hibari, Yagyu, and Haruka can't qualify because they're shipped enough to create the debates in the first place.
• Imu can potentially qualify, as she's not very popular according to polls, but the example is rather weakly written. People also like her because of how powerful she is in the games, which does bleed over into character from mechanics.
• Minori is a Tier Induced Scrappy at best.
• Dōgen is the main villain, but that's not the issue, as the issue is about the writing quality rather than his evil actions. A Base-Breaking Character doesn't qualify, and if enough people think he's a legitimately scary villain, he doesn't qualify.

Personally I'd rather slash and burn, but I'd like some other opinions.

edited 24th Apr '17 10:16:35 PM by AnotherDuck

Slash and burn.

The Rescued from the Scrappy Heap entry for Gwen in Ben 10 (2016) has "hated by some" (potholed to Base-Breaking Character) Weasel Words. Cut?

edited 24th Apr '17 10:16:14 PM by Karxrida

Yeah.

I don't think anyone in Senran is legitimately hated across the board except those meant to be.

At most the only complaint could be Spotlight-Stealing Squad status of the Hanzo Academy shinobi.