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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
Zzzzzzzzzz
Your suggestion is good. Go ahead and add it.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Laconic.Enforced Trope is a mess of potholes. Remove them all and leave it at that?
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Yes. Those potholes don't add anything to the value of the laconic.
Done.
Also, is it me or is Laconic.So Last Season poorly worded? I'd say "The abilities that defeated the bad guys in the last season won't work with this season's villains."
Zzzzzzzzzz
Not just you; that was horribly ungrammatical. I've changed it to something very close to your suggestion.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I find Laconic.Polish The Turd to be inaccurate and overly complicated. I got the wrong impression of the trope just by reading it. I would suggest something like:
Zzzzzzzzzz
It's not just announcing.
- Making something bad look good.
Laconic.Bubsy is very complainy and extremely subjective.
edited 13th Jun '17 10:47:12 AM by Gosicrystal
Blapper of Water
Would the following work?
Though if expy ought to be explained...:
edited 13th Jun '17 10:43:32 PM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
The Unknown
That reads more like a character Laconic than a work Laconic.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
And ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Laconic.Bryan Danielson, a repetition of the man's catchprase with seven chained potholes. I would remove them, but that would just leave a chain of "YES!".
edited 23rd Jun '17 6:14:40 AM by Gosicrystal
Blapper of Water
I went down the rabbit hole and found Laconic.Running Gagged, which I think could just be
For the wrestler, I want to suggest the following, but there's probably something better for it, so I guess I'm suggesting a springboard.
Blapper of Water
Found Laconic.Daydream Believer which is all-blue and potholes to I Wish It Were Real. Should it's laconic be "Someone who believes the fictional story is actually real or based on something that really happened."
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
From Daydream Believer's description (namely the second paragraph's first half), I'd say the Laconic definition should be "Someone who believes that a fictional story could be / is real in some way or the other."
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
I'm trying to come up with a good laconic for Speculative Fiction LGBT, but I'm not sure if the TLP draft's laconic — "SF works feature LGBT+ characters, because of the removed setting from Real Life(TM)" — is adequate.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Peace And Love blanked Laconic.Nothing Is Scarier with the following reason. "Since the trope's name is already indicative of its meaning, I feel that eliminating the text encapsulates the trope perfectly."
Is this kosher? Should it be restored?
edited 13th Jul '17 10:27:22 AM by Adept
Zzzzzzzzzz
No, it's not kosher and yes, it should be restored. The trope is not "mothing" it's "Not showing the threat clearly is scarier than showing it."
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
There's no Laconic for Extruded Book Product...
Should it be something like "Ghostwriting + Strictly Formula"? 'Cause if so, I'm not seeing how Shakespeare counts.
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Also, Laconic.Airport Novel is "A book you can read on a plane.", which doesn't mesh with the complexity of the description used in Main.
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Elemental Hair is lacking a Laconic as well... Maybe "Hair that's Color Coded to the Elemental Powers of the bearer?
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How many pages are missing Laconics? Number of Main as regular pages - number of Laconic pages...
edited 15th Jul '17 10:59:03 AM by Malady
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Blapper of Water
Generally, a laconic shouldn't require readers to go to another page to understand the laconic. So your suggestion for Extruded Book Product shouldn't just be wicked to Strictly Formula. Basically, I think it's too short. Likewise for your suggestion for Elemental Hair (though the wicked page is blank).
For Airport Novel, I'd suggest "A cheap, large paperback novel written so that anyone could read it within a single sitting."
Some Main/ pages are just redirects, and some works pages have Laconic/ pages.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
I assume that "SF works feature LGBT+ characters, because of the removed setting from Real Life(TM)" is sufficient for Speculative Fiction LGBT?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
- Mmmhmm... So, for the laconics with wicks, I should expand them with the laconics of the wicked tropes...
- Extruded Book Product: "Ghostwritten series of books where the main plotline of every book is basically the same, and produced at a rate that's higher than any one writer usually writes."
- Airport Novel: Should I just change it to your suggestion? I suspect we want more discussion before changing it? Or are you a good authority on Laconics?
- Elemental Hair: Fixed my wicks. ... Color-coding and Elemental Powers are basically Exactly What It Says on the Tin? Or should I bring examples into it, like Fire Is Red, Wind Is Green, etc?
- Number of Missing Laconics, is gonna be off 'cause some works have Laconics, as well as tropes. ... Also, there's Laconics that are redirects... Wondering if they should be cut if they don't have wicks to them...
- Anyway: Numbers: 25227 Tropes
- 21139 Laconics = at least 3808 tropes are missing Laconics.
- Anyway: Numbers: 25227 Tropes
edited 15th Jul '17 11:13:58 AM by Malady
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Blapper of Water
I just have the time to cruise the forums and I like participating, so I do. I participate with the laconic improvement stuff often enough to know that laconics shouldn't rely on trope names or potholes alone.
- For Extruded Book Product, I think that's good, but would change "produced" to "created" but it's not a big deal.
- Airport Novel: Sometimes there's only one or two comments in this thread and then the laconic either gets changed or we cough forget about it. If you think my suggestion works, I think you'd be okay changing it, just please link back to this thread in your edit reason.
- Elemental Hair: I suggest always avoiding using "Exactly What It Says on the Tin" in laconics because it may be Not Self Explanatory.
- "at least 3808 tropes are missing Laconics": Thank goodness we don't have to have laconics, haha. Thankfully there's this thread (and the trope description improvement thread) to help.
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RE: Speculative Fiction LGBT: I think it should mention that this is a sub-genre of Speculative Fiction (or a specific kind of setting), no? That laconic implies this trope is when a work of speculative fiction has a lot of gay characters in it, which doesn't seem to be the trope.
edited 15th Jul '17 11:55:19 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
- I'm gonna set those soon, I think... Just to clear the backlog...
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Wait... For Airport Novel:
"A cheap, large paperback novel written so that anyone could read it within a single sitting."
How do you define those specifiers in a semi-objective way, as to be able to clearly say "this counts, and that doesn't"?
What is "Cheap", "Large", and "Can Be Read In A Single Sitting"?
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And since I'm wondering if its Hearts Are Health for this use
◊ of Heart Symbol to represent a heart... Or just Heart Symbol... Either way...
I think Laconic.Hearts Are Health should remove the note that its a video game trope? And instead of representing Hit Points, it represents vitality in general?
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Should we add commented out header notes, to say which Laconics have gone through this thread, and which haven't?
edited 22nd Jul '17 4:56:40 PM by Malady
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No feedback on this
? Or should I just use what I've written as is?
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