TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

Rod-and-Reel Repurposed was also recently launched out of TLP, but the description is completely anemic.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

@4549:

• Literal Self Made Man: Send back to TLP. There's something there, but the description rambles aimlessly when it should be defining the trope.
• Secret Menu Item: Cut. Underdefined.
• Eater Of Their Own Words: Cut. Bad name, vague and rambly description.
• More Popular Expy: Cut. Underdefined and based on a misunderstanding of Expy.
• Pirate Crab: Cut. Not tropeworthy.
• Ambiguously Asexual: Cut. Vague criteria, just begging for misuse.
• Alleged Power Limits: Cut. It's just Ass Pull with even more complaining. Description spends more time talking about what it's not than what it is, never a good sign.
• Cast from Stamina: Potentially tropeworthy, but the current example list is riddled with Zero Context Examples, and the description is confusing. Needs to be reworked to define "stamina" for the purposes of the trope in such a way that it's distinct from Cast from Hit Points or Mana. Send back to TLP.

edited 13th Dec '16 8:59:11 AM by HighCrate

Are Useful Notes allowed to have YMMV pages ? Because I just found out that the one for KFC has had a YMMV page since early 2013.

The only way that miiiiiiiiiiiiight be kosher (and it's a stretch) would be if it's a YMMV page on their advertising campaigns. Which it's not. Cut away.

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Casual Sports Jersey got launched in September with a net three hats (five hats and two bombs). It's very much not a trope, too. To quote my... really, "rant" is the only appropriate word from an Image Pickin' thread:

"And how is that a trope?

I can see how it could be, but what really worries me is this line in the description: "Other times, it's just something the character prefers to wear." That is the epitome of People Sit In Chairs. If it's about showing someone is a sports fan, then sure, it's a trope. If it's "wearing a jersey is the sign of a Lower-Class Lout" then sure, it's a trope. Or if it were to show they're a Jerk Jock, then yep, it's a trope. But if it's just "someone is wearing a jersey" then it's not. And I don't even remember Bazooka being tied to any sort of athletic background or anything (unlike, say, The Fridge). And I note this got launched with a new three hats, which... seems problematic."

At 14 wicks, I say cut it and send it back to YKTTW. There's potential jersey-based tropes, but this goes out of its way to not cover any of them.

edited 14th Dec '16 8:39:13 AM by Larkmarn

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Blob Wars has a sizable work page description, but almost no tropes listed.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Almost every entry on Butterfly Crossing is zero context.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Every single example on Healer is zero context.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

World Of Warcraft Shaman is also just zces.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Let me also give my thoughts on some of the recent list of problem tropes:

• Literal Self Made Man: Underdeveloped. Send it back to TLP. Not sure why someone changed the much clearer title "Self Constructed Being" to the current clunky one.
• Secret Menu Item: Underdeveloped, send it back to TLP.
• Eater Of Their Own Words: Cut. Misleading name and it functions as a badly-written duplicate of Actually, I Am Him.
• More Popular Expy: NO. Expy is enough trouble already. Cut it.
• Pirate Crab: Not sure about this one. Looks like it's just "Trope + trait" (Pirate + Crab). Are crabs really more commonly pirates than other sea animals? Anyway, its tropeworthiness should be sorted out in TLP, so send it back.
• Ambiguously Asexual: As I expressed on the previous page, badly-written page that's a fountain for future misuse. Cut it.
• Romantic Pseudo Fantasy: Agreed with the critiques on the last page, merge with Paranormal Romance.
• Casual Sports Jersey: Looking at the page more closely, I agree that it should be cut. There are possible tropes there, but it doesn't cover any of them and settles for PSOC instead.

I'll send messages for the work pages I've listed on the last few pages and cut them after a week or so afterh. Any other thoughts on Rod-and-Reel Repurposed? I think we should just send back that one for more work.

edited 17th Dec '16 10:03:49 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Send R 2 R back. I see a lot of potential ZCE issues re: video game examples as it stands. (Based on the number of games I've played where fishing rods and makeshift rods are used to retrieve objects for keys and puzzles.)

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett

Scarlet Fever's a bit unclear? I think it's supposed to be that women, (and men?) named Scarlet(t) are often Playing with Fire, Firey Redheads or something of that nature?

For example, the Literature section:

• Obviously, Scarlett O'Hara from Gone with the Wind. And despite what many assume, she was actually a brunette in the book and film.

• Miss Scarlet from Perry Moore's Hero, a superheroine with fire powers to match her temper.

• While not the name of a person, The Scarlet Letter invoked this trope in its title as far back as 1850.

Laconic.Scarlet Fever is:

• Characters named Scarlet, often mysterious women.

edited 17th Dec '16 9:26:50 PM by Malady

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"Potential ZCE issues" are not evidence of an actual developing problem.

Scarlet Fever's not a newly launched page. It looks to be at least a couple of years old. So it probably has to go to TRS. (At a quick glance, though, my diagnosis is: not a trope!)

Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.

My evaluation is based on experience. A problematic trope is brought here and fits a set of circumstances that 99% of the time results in a specific, repeating issue.

In this case, those circumstances are a short and loose definition with a fairly vague title, resulting in a very high likelihood of ZCE, as well as putting it in anytime a rod and reel show up anywhere, even if said appearance has no effect on the story.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett

The name itself isn't bad, so long as we assume the trope requirements are that it's 1) a fishing rod and 2) used for something other than fishing. That just leaves the description too vague to get a handle on the subject. I was already planning on suggesting a rewrite while it was in TLP. I can try later today.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Rod And Reel Repurposed

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The classic rod-and-reel combo has been the design of fishing rods for hundreds of years now. The even simpler design of a string hanging from a simple wooden stick even older. But what if you're not fishing exactly? This trope repurposes fishing poles to hook other objects.

If you've dropped your keys down a hole, need to pull something from far away, or you're missing a weapon, the fishing rod can do it all.

Contrast Fishing for Sole, where the character intended to catch a fish, but caught something else instead.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Looks pretty nice.

Looks a lot better.

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edited 20th Dec '16 6:43:28 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Looks nice.

What about Fishing Rods as Weapons, then? *'Cause Chantelise example was mine, if it's still there...*

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It's still there, and I did put in a pothole to Improvised Weapon for the description. It isn't a pure subtrope though, and "also used as a weapon" is pretty ZCE. In fact, I think 'just'' "fishing rod is used as a weapon" should go only under Improvised Weapon; add a Rod And Reel Repurposed entry only if the example explained how a fishing rod was used as a weapon.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

I like that description, crasysamaritan. Much more defined, and well written.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett

I swapped it out and left a "contrast with" in the Fishing for Sole description.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Crystalline - one-sentence description, zero tropes.