Is this an example?

Does the work treat it as such? If so then yes.

This was put under B-Team Sequel:

My concern is that "generally liked if weak followup" is a bit too YMMV for a trope that isn't YMMV. Also not sure if "some of the older people stepped down to let new blood take over" counts as "handing something off to B Team."

edited 28th Jun '17 1:53:30 PM by dragonfire5000

Ditch that underperforming thing, according to VG Charts SMT IV sold .58 million copies while Nocturne sold .38 million. It was more successful than its predecessor.

It also forgets that SMT Strange Journey, basically SMT 3.5, was in-between those...

edited 28th Jun '17 2:02:36 PM by Memers

The reception of the works are irrelevant for that trope. It might be something to note if it's about a difference in the work, such as content and tone, how many assets are reused, and so on. Quality is only really relevant if it's something that can be mentioned in objective terms.

This was put under Fire Emblem Gaiden:

The entry seems to be too complain-y towards Awakening and Fates, reeks of Opinion Myopia, and I'm not even sure Echoes counts as a "sequel." It's certainly the next game in a series, but I'm not so sure about "sequel."

edited 28th Jun '17 5:59:44 PM by dragonfire5000

Hello, I want to add something to Telltale Games, and I'd like to ask your opinion on if this example belongs as either Broken Base or Scrappy Mechanic, and if this should be worded beter

Starting with Batman: The Telltale Series, Telltale has started releasing physical copies of their games much earlier. The problem is that it only comes with the first episode or two, and the rest have to be downloaded, though if you have the disc they're free of charge. It has been met with negative reception from players, who see the physcial versions as completely pointless if you have to download the entire game anyway and if you aren't someone who likes physical versions for display/collection purposes, you might as well just buy the entire game digitally instead.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:09:52 PM by anoni

x2 I don't think there's any denying that the writing is better, but it's kind of hard to call it a Surprisingly Improved Sequel if Contested Sequel is already listed (even if they're there for different reasons). The fact it's a remake doesn't matter for the sequel part since Tropes Are Flexible here.

Not sure what to do here exactly. I personally don't think it's as complainy as you say, but it's not the most flattering, either.

edited 28th Jun '17 11:23:52 PM by Karxrida

Are these valid examples of Spirited Young Lady? To me, they are both quintessetial examples, but troper lexicon keeps insiting they are not lady-like enough.

• The Portrait of a Lady by Henry James, published in 1880—81:
  • Isabel Archer (the lady from the title) is a young American woman who is beautiful and intelligent, and very well aware of that. She leaves America for Britain in company of her estranged aunt. Her ambition is to see the world and find find her own purpose in life. Isabel values her independence more than anything else and at times she seems to act independent just to prove that she can. After the death of her uncle Mr. Touchett, Isabel inherits a large sum of money. She feels that wealth has both given her more freedom, but also taken away the specific kind of independence she had when she was just a poor girl from a good family.
  • Henrietta Stackpole is Isabel's close friend who works as a journalist for the New York Interviewer, and she is quite serious about her job. She has no money except from her job, yet she supports her widowed sister's children and pays their school-bills. She is good-humored, energetic and extremely opinionated. Some English characters are surprised by her bluntness (or even rudeness) with which she expresses herself. Isabel admires that Henrietta is completely independent of men, a woman. At the same time, Henrietta is decidedly pretty and an elegant young woman.

Thank you for your input.

Isabel seems to have the wealth part down (assuming "good family" there means "of a high social standing"), but Henrietta doesn't seem like an example. If anything, she seems of lower background.

Spirited Young Lady is a pretty specific trope, and as-is I'm not sure.

edited 29th Jun '17 6:51:04 AM by Larkmarn

x3 I think the Opinion Myopia is probably the biggest concern, since while YMMV is about documenting audience reactions, it should not be "taking sides." While there are fans who were dissatisfied with Fates, I highly doubt the vast majority were dissatisfied, which the entry seems to be suggesting.

That being said, I would probably get rid of Surprisingly Improved Sequel and keep Contested Sequel since Contested Sequel talks about what some fans think are improvements and what some fans think are problems. It covers more ground, and it manages to talk about how some fans don't like Awakening and Fates without being too complainy.

edited 29th Jun '17 7:47:23 AM by dragonfire5000

Question. Does this count as an example of Wrong Genre Savvy?

• Boy Meets World: Shawn, having watched a lot of TV, is generally very Genre Savvy aside from one occasion. In "A Long Walk to Pittsburgh Part 1", Cory is upset that Topanga is moving to Pittsburgh and wonders how their relationship will be affected. Shawn tells Cory he's worrying for nothing as he's seen this plot several times on sitcoms and the episode always ends with the character not moving after all. At the very end, when Topanga says goodbye and rides off in the moving van, Shawn is shocked that the van didn't turn around at the last second and asks "what kind of TV show is this?" The problem was that Shawn was assuming that this was a standard half hour plot where the problem would be resolved immediately. He didn't realize that the characters were actually in a Multi-Part Episode and that meant Topanga wouldn't come back until the end of the second part (which she did).

I'd call it double-subverted Genre Savvy. He's taught by TV, he's right about the kind of TV show that it is, right about the outcome, there's just a fakeout in the middle. Then that fakeout gets subverted.

edited 29th Jun '17 11:14:11 AM by Larkmarn

That makes sense, but there's also the bit about the fact he assumes they're in a one parter instead of a two parter which makes it questionable.

A two-parter isn't a genre.

He's right about the type of show he's in having those kinds of episodes, so he's Genre Savvy. He was a little off on the timing, but still correct on the whole. I think a double subversion is accurate.

Does this fit Absent Aliens? Are Elves a common enough expectation that this would fit? ... Also, is there a trope for something being mentioned but never shown, like these elves are?

Golden Sun:

edited 29th Jun '17 6:31:55 PM by Malady

That seems like a total shoehorn.

Spirited Young Lady isn't about being wealthy, though her social standing/family background will be middle class or higher. The Spirited Young Lady has the same grace and style as the Proper Lady plus an added spark of attitude or rebellion that's missing from her more-prim-and-proper literary cousin. All I read in these examples are attitude or rebellion.

That is not all that is required.

And, being wealthy often brings people to the upper class society, especially if that is the second generation who is enjoying the benefits of comfortable income.

From the trope description, applied to Isabel:

• She is a young woman, usually between 16-25.
  • Yes, she is 23 at the beginning of the novel.
• Her social standing/family background will be middle class or higher. Most often, her family comes from the landed gentry, though she may be a clergyman's daughter.
  • She is from a good American family, she is well-educated, and her aunt has married among the English landed gentry and they have friends among the nobility.
• She is witty and confident in her conversation.
  • Absolutely.
• She is often quite intelligent, and may display other talents.
  • Yes, her intellingence is mentioned several times.
• She has less interest in lady-like activities (such as embroidery) and might enjoy "unladylike" things (such as foxhunting) more than would be proper for a too lady-like lady.
  • She enjoys travelling.
• She is independent and self-sufficient. She anticipates, or even expects, to marry someday, but she does not need a man to give her life purpose.
  • Very much fits.
• She is generally honest and frank (though she may lie for a good cause). She may be outspoken, bold, or in some cases even defiant.
  • Yes.
• Despite the above, she generally avoids going so far beyond the rules of her society that she would be labelled disreputable: she is, after all, a lady.
  • Isabel is not disreputable at all.

Nothing she does in the novel contradicts these defining traits. And she is very much the Dude Magnet, as practically every male character falls in love with her or is enchanted with her. Seems very spirited-young-lady-like to me. After her unhappy marriage, she might appear that she has lost some of her spirits, but not entirely.

As for Henrietta Stackpole, I agree that she might be borderline, especially regarding her social status, but she is sufficiently well off, has a rather highly regarded job as a lady journalist, she can afford to travel and through her friend Isabel, she has access to noble English households and also to the expatriate society in Europe. She might be too spirited to be considered a true lady by some stuffy English characters, but she is never too rude, in my opinion.

edited 30th Jun '17 8:44:26 AM by XFllo

So say how she is not disreputable.

In Warhammer 40,000, the Dark Eldar suffer over time from an all-consuming and ever-increasing need to drink the souls of other beings, which is implied to be caused by the Chaos God Slaanesh leeching the Dark Eldar's soul-essence. At first glance, this seems like a classic example of Horror Hunger.

The catch, however, is that Slaanesh only leeches off the Dark Eldar's soul-essence because they persist in practicing the lifestyle of boundless hedonism that gave birth to Slaanesh in the first place; those Dark Eldar that abandon such ways no longer need to feed off the pain and souls of others, though they would be vulnerable to other ways of predation by Slaanesh and its demons unless they follow the methods that their Craftworlder and Exodite brethren make use of to protect their souls from such dangers. In other words, the "horror" part of the Dark Eldar's Horror Hunger is mainly self-inflicted, and they could get rid of it simply if they forsake their lifestyle of immoral self-indulgence... which the majority adamantly refuse to do so, because they prefer indulging in their desires no matter how depraved they may be.

Does this make the Dark Eldar a Subverted Trope example of Horror Hunger?

edited 30th Jun '17 2:32:42 PM by MarqFJA

Goodnight. If the work teaches that human nature is determined by feelings and emotions, and that if someone (in this case the human personification of higher intelligence) is able to experience it, then he is human. Is there a type of Aesop's tropes to which this is appropriate? Stock Aesop?

RE: Spirited Young Lady

Good, worthy people of the novel respect Isabel and they trust her. Nobody thinks she has a bad character.

Ditto for Henrietta, though with her people are a bit afraid she does not fully respect others' privacy.

Irony: Nefertimon is referred to as the "Angel of Light" which is, in Christian circles, usually used to refer to the Devil.

Is this example a correct example?

Not enough context.