Real Life People Cleanup Project

I don't know if Cult Of Dusty has enough of an internet personality to have his own page. Do these examples count as real life troping?

• Badass Pacifist: Due to being a Free Speech Activist. His Golden Rule is that you can say anything to him, no matter how vile, he would never, ever lay a hand on somebody for it. However, if somebody assaults him, he is not afraid to finish the fight, even using a knife for it.
• Dark and Troubled Past: Dusty had an uncle with a criminal past, who eventually kidnapped Dusty's then-girlfriend and her mother to extort money from her wealthy family. He was shot dead by the police.
• Deep South: He is from Louisiana. Sometimes he exaggerates his accent for comedic effect.
• Friend to All Living Things: He loves animals, even runs a private shelter.
• I Hate Past Me: He has expressed regret over his reactionary phase several times.
• The Kirk: His catchphrase is Logic! but he doesn't approach things completely emotionally detached. In fact, he often calls out people for their callousness.
• Precision F-Strike: Not afraid to use swear words to emphasize a point.
• We Used to Be Friends: He and TJ Kirk were quite close for a while, often doing videos together and even meeting up at cons. Over time however, when Dusty left the Anti-SJW content behind, he often called out TJ and the rest of the Drunken Peasants over their videos and behaviour (up until this day), which lead to a falling out.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Jun 30th 2019 at 7:35:09 AM

WMG.Nicki Minaj seems to be theories about her as a person.

Brought this up on the Base-Breaking Character cleanup page, but moving it here because of wider issues.

There is a LOT of troping of real life people going on here. Again, these are NOT characters, these are real people, often underage, too. Shipping actual teenagers is pretty creepy if you ask me. This page, and probably the whole work, needs a thorough cleanup.

I'd say burn it, but I feel like it isn't so simple despite how blatant this stuff is.

Edited by TrocyteV on Jul 10th 2019 at 9:28:45 AM

So I came across Creator.Anna Faris while on a "hit Random Media, hit Shift+5 a bunch" ZCE-cleanup spree.

My understanding is that Creator pages should be about the creator's work, not troping the Real Life person as if they were a fictional character, yes? And that work tropes should only be listed for works that don't have their own pages (otherwise they should be listed on the appropriate work page)?

Because if so, the only valid entry on the page is the Romance on the Set entry about Film.Take Me Home Tonight, which does not have its own page. Even then, that's a Trivia item, not a trope, so it wouldn't belong in the Creator namespace.

I haven't been an active part of this cleanup effort, so I wanted to bring the matter here before doing anything about it myself.

Trivia items are actually put in the Creator/ namespace for creators and not on a separate Trivia/ page per Creator Page Guidelines. That entry can stay.

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 6th 2019 at 1:15:21 PM

Ah, thank you. I wasn't aware of that policy, but it makes sense.

Danny Trejo appears to be largely troping the person as if he were a fictional character. Did some cleanup, posting here for record-keeping purposes.

Creator.Corey Burton is really disorganized. His list of roles is in the middle of the description, and said description is unnecessary long-winded and lacks cohesion.

Headscratchers.Lily Orchard seems to be used more for complaining about her and accusing her of being a hypocrite than for asking questions about her actual work.

I posted this on the music clean up thread but may as well here too. Hello! Project, as well as its subpages and YMMV, has a lot of real-life troping (also gushing), seeming more about the idol industry than the actual music. Most of the trope entries are about individual girls.

I cleaned up Amy Sedaris a bit, but I'm not sure if the Cloudcuckoolander example is referring to her or her work.

Edited by Twiddler on Sep 14th 2019 at 9:10:23 AM

Dear Zachary has a lot of troping real-life people and countries, most of it negative (it's a documentary so it kinda blurs the lines).

J. Michael Straczynski tropes his real life, but it says "Particularly as chronicled by Becoming Superman", so… I don't know what the line is there.

(wrong topic, please delete this)

Edited by PrincessPandaTrope on Nov 1st 2019 at 9:39:20 AM

Okay, Phil Spector is a MAJOR violation of the "No character tropes" rule, as most of his tropes are only describing himself and his personality that ultimately led him to his murder conviction. I demand a cleanup.

Deleted a couple real life examples on Vinesauce.

Should Cult Of Dusty be cut? It's been a few months since it was brought up.

Is YMMV.Kurt Cobain kosher? It doesn't seem too bad, but...

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: There are several publicity shots of Cobain holding a gun in his mouth. Misuse, or at least insufficient context; FAM is supposed to be intended to be humorous and light-hearted
• Harsher in Hindsight: Many songs of his have become uncomfortable since his death, particularly "Come As You Are", which has the line "And I swear that I don't have a gun / No, I don't have a gun..." Not to mention the fact that In Utero was originally planned to be titled I Hate Myself And I Want To Die. Valid, but potentially in poor taste.
• Hype Backlash: He's so often described as one of the most important musicians of the last twenty years that this reaction often comes about. ZCE; what reaction?
• It's Popular, Now It Sucks!: Interesting example - Kurt loved Nevermind, until its more mainstream feel won him fans whom he felt didn't understand his message, along with a serious disconnect between the tracks that he loved (namely "Drain You", which was one of his favorites) and the tracks that blew up ("Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Lithium", the former of which he decried as a Pixies ripoff). Valid enough
• Nausea Fuel: Cobain had a fascination with human anatomy. Many of his lyrics and album artwork feature disturbing Body Horror imagery of this kind. Valid enough
• Pop-Cultural Osmosis: The first thing most people think about when they hear the name Kurt Cobain is not his music per sé, but the fact that his name is so linked to suicide. I don't think this is true
• True Art Is Incomprehensible: Cobain himself admitted that even he wasn't entirely sure what some of his lyrics were about. Fine

Edited by HighCrate on Jan 11th 2020 at 9:20:21 AM

A lot of things on Film.Cool Cat Saves The Kids, the nightmare fuel page, the Trivia page, the WMG page, and the YMMV page are troping or speculating on the creator's real-life antics instead of the work itself, including the film's description which has a year-by-year summary of the creator's latest feuds.

Vanity Publishing, Horrible.Web Comics, Horrible.Lets Play, and Horrible.Literature are similar in troping real people, especially under the Gloria Tesch section, which has a link to a forum/site that collects information on people to mock them.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jan 30th 2020 at 12:21:50 PM

RoleEndingMisdemeanor.Anime And Manga has had a couple edits that downplay controversies and heavily emphasize the 'alleged' part of accusations.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=RoleEndingMisdemeanor.AnimeAndManga

Edited by lalalei2001 on Feb 2nd 2020 at 3:01:40 AM

I noticed the image caption for Manchild has this:

Is this allowed? Now that I think about it, that statement could be troping a person.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 2nd 2020 at 8:14:58 AM

Role-Ending Misdemeanor in general has a lot of real-life troping and scandal speculation attached to it.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Feb 3rd 2020 at 9:06:01 AM

Well, it's Trivia that's literally about scandals that caused people to lose their jobs. It has to discuss real life situations.