Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

Not Me This Time requires that the villain acknowledges that they're usually accused, and says it's not them that time. Most of the RL "examples" are shoehorns just going by that. The only ones that actually fit that are the Anonymous example and the Scott Cawthon example.

I don't think this requires a villain, but a usual suspect, with the difference being there's no morality attached to it. I also don't think it requires a narrative outside the acknowledgement.

edited 7th Apr '16 4:30:34 PM by AnotherDuck

TV Trope Fan 1989 readded the Mary Sue subtropes and added more of these, even if nothing can be earned of listing them.

Messaging the user and will keep an eye out. Feel free to remove those entries.

I don't know what that account is up to so I squashed it.

~Another Duck: So what you're saying is that real life examples should be allowed for Not Me This Time, but that the examples need to be cleaned up?

edited 8th Apr '16 5:10:55 AM by GnomeTitan

Basically. I don't think we should ever call out real people on anything that could be seen as questionable behaviour, but we can document when they call themselves out.

I'm not entirely sure on the limitations of the trope, since it begins by talking about a recurring Big Bad, which obviously is too narrow of a definition by itself (a common problem with descriptions is that they try to describe the trope while thinking about a specific example or variation of the trope, without considering other variations), and then it says it can occur with any character who has a recurring habit, which could too wide taken at face value.

Personally I believe the important part is that there's some kind of accusation involved, and for obvious reasons, villains, antagonists, and criminals (the three main groups when it comes to "villain" or "evil" tropes) are the ones typically accused.

I, too, think that there's a problem with the trope description, which sounds as if it is a villain trope, while, as you say, the trope is wider than that. It's more about "the usual suspects" who happen to be innocent this time. So there is still some morality to it - the accused person must make some sort of admission that it's at least reasonable to suspect them; it doesn't work with completely innocent people.

This makes Real Life examples a bit problematic. I feel that even though there are some justifiable RL examples, they are few, and there's too much potential for misuse. So I'm voting to make it NRLEP on grounds of it being a morality trope rather than a villain trope.

edited 8th Apr '16 11:56:45 AM by GnomeTitan

That's reaching for it. There's no morality other than what the person in question has stated, i.e., what's in the narrative of their own words. No more than, say, Self-Deprecation.

The "potential for misuse" argument is rather weak when we're talking about a trope with over half a thousand wicks and only a few examples that would fall under that. Everything has potential for misuse. If the potential is "too much", why isn't there more of it on the page? I'm not sure how old the trope is, but just looking at the name shows something that hasn't been acceptable for a very long time.

I agree with AnotherDuck in that topic. On the other hand, there is the trope Love Hotels, who receives a light treatment even if it is a trope about people knowing someone they love.

edited 8th Apr '16 9:35:57 PM by DoctorCooper

Farting around in another subforum here, I came across The Stoner, and from there the Distaff Counterpart Granola Girl, and related trope Bourgeois Bohemian, all of which have RL sections ("duh, why else mention it here?", I know ).

It seems to me that the examples in all three are shoehorning, and as characterization tropes having RL sections seems questionable in general. The Stoner also seems to lend itself towards gossip, particularly in the US since in most places marijuana possession is illegal.

Should they take a spin through the crowner (more specifically a new one, since the current one has 12 entries already), or am I just being overly sensitive?

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Pending:

• Not Me This Time: Added Added 7th Apr '16 at 4:05 PM, 1.5:1 (10)

edited 9th Apr '16 5:23:45 AM by Nohbody

All those three seem to fall under stereotyping and gossip.

The Stoner is the gravest case.

Quick policy check: Using NRLEP characterization tropes for people appearing on a reality show isn't kosher, right? Or is there some line at which elements of a person's cultivated media appearance qualify as "fictional"?

I was doing some work on the My Cat from Hell page, a reality show about a cat behaviorist named Jackson Galaxy dealing with problem cats. Several NRELP tropes have been used to describe Galaxy, including Awesome McCoolname, Badass Beard, and Bald Of Awesome. My first instinct is to cut them all on the grounds that he is a real person, not a fictional character. However, according to IMDB, "Jackson Galaxy" is not his birth name (I don't know if it's his legal name or not), so it's reasonable to assume that he deliberately chose an Awesome Me Coolname essentially as a stage name. Is that type of example allowed or not?

edited 10th Apr '16 12:41:19 PM by NotOnAnyFlatbread

Reality shows are not Real Life generally. For one thing, being in a recorded environment can modify people's behaviours like a persona.

Yeah, "reality TV" doesn't have all that much reality in it. So as long as the entry is clear that it's referring to the person as shown on the screen it should, under most circumstances, be okay.

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Not Me This Time has been steadily dropping, and is now at 1:1, so I'm going to call it to keep RL examples. Added Added 7th Apr '16 at 4:05 PM, 1:1 (12)

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Since that wraps up the last active entry on this crowner, with 12 entries total, I'm making a new crowner, #43. Hollering for it to be attached in a moment.

edited 10th Apr '16 8:27:22 PM by Nohbody

43 is swapped in now.

Updating title in a moment.

Never mind, fixed. Reworded the entry that was using an apostrophe, which for some bizarre reason breaks things with crowner descriptions.

edited 10th Apr '16 9:05:10 PM by Nohbody

Also, added The Stoner, Granola Girl, and Bourgeois Bohemian to the crowner, as gossip and stereotyping.

I add Love Hotels to the crowner.

edited 11th Apr '16 2:41:26 PM by DoctorCooper

I'm actually kind of ambivalent about Love Hotels. Yeah, it's a place for sex, and the somewhat related trope Auto Erotica is currently NRLEP, but at a glance at the fiction examples it doesn't seem that people adding stuff are going for explicit descriptions of what occurs in those places, nor does it do so with the one RL example there currently (which needs some attention for bad wiki formatting, but that's not this thread).

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Pending:

• The Stoner: Added 10th Apr '16, 9:09 PM at 8:1 (9)
• Granola Girl: Added 10th Apr '16, 9:09 PM at 8:1 (9)
• Bourgeois Bohemian: Added 10th Apr '16 at 9:09 PM, 8:1 (9)
• Love Hotels: Added 11th Apr '16 at 02:41:10 PM 0:4

And on another subject, OneSteveLimit.Real Life shouldn't really be a thing, should it? The description for One-Steve Limit explicitly says it's about names in works of fiction.

I think we should wait to declare Love Hotel NRLEP until inappropriate RL examples become a problem. There's nothing inappropriate about writing about the hotels themselves, and the article doesn't seem to attract any inappropriate examples about what goes on inside them.

edited 12th Apr '16 7:54:12 AM by GnomeTitan

I have the same opinion about Love Hotel, but I didn't say anything since it's already bombing in the crowner.

All have met the minimum requirements, but giving a little more time to be sure they're stable before calling, especially given how the most recent vote for each has just gone up within the last 12 hours.

• The Stoner: Added 10th Apr 2016, 9:09 PM, 9:1 (10)
• Granola Girl: Added 10th Apr 2016, 9:09 PM, 9:1 (10)
• Bourgeois Bohemian: Added 10th Apr 2016, 9:09 PM, 9:1 (10)

Trending towards keeping RL examples, just waiting on meeting the minimum time requirement:

• Love Hotels: Added 11th Apr '16 at 02:41:10 PM, 1:9 (10)

edited 13th Apr '16 6:40:16 AM by Nohbody

The Stoner and Love Hotels haven't moved much at all, so calling them. The other two currently pending are still probably not going to flip from cutting RL sections, but I'm leaving them be until tomorrow for that whole "stabilization" thing.

Callint for NRLEP:

• Granola Girl: Added 10th Apr 2016, 9:09 PM, 9:1 (10)

Calling to keep RL examples:

• Love Hotels: Added 11th Apr '16 at 02:41:10 PM, 1:10 (11)

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Pending:

• The Stoner: Added 10th Apr 2016, 9:09 PM, 4.5:1 (11)
• Bourgeois Bohemian: Added 10th Apr 2016, 9:09 PM, 4.5:1 (11)

edited 13th Apr '16 9:22:01 PM by Nohbody